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The Maestro's Story

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The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 21:34:21


Hello everyone. I felt it was time to explain a few things on my side. To finally get some things off my chest. I've been meaning to say this for a long while now, just never had the courage.

As many of you are aware, I had left Newgrounds a while ago, saying that I would not be submitting again, and i'm sure some of you know now that this is not the case. However I would like to share a few things with you all, as I am now here to explain that things were not as they were really made out to be.

But first I get ahead of myself, let me start from the beginning.

Several months ago I began recieving emails from anonymous people stating that all of my music was far over rated and that there was really nothing to them (in fact if you go to my "The Woman's Roar" and go to page 1, you will see that one of them actually felt the need to post their "constructive" words). Now normally I would not listen to such people, especially if they didn't even have enough spine matter to leave their aliases so that I knew who I was talking to, however with every passing day, these emails became more frequent, and more vicious.

As would be expected I began to doubt myself.

At the same time MilkMan_Dan was said to be leaving Newgrounds to join the military. I jumped ship then to unite with him and hoped to create some wonderful songs before he left. We were even talking about producing a cd.

Sadly enough I fear this cd is not going to happen soon, through many factors, involving both of us, progress slowed, and eventually nearly disappeared entirely. I don't blame him nor myself, in all honesty though we are both what I feel quite compatible composers, the truth is both he and I work when inspiration hits and forcing ourselves to work on pieces sent to each other simply didn't work. On top of that there were connection issues, passing work back and forth properly, blagh, it was a mess.

I was left without a home, and after I killed off MaestroSorrow, I was given the perfect oppurtunity to run a series of experiments to see how the environment of Newgrounds worked. "Manipulating the masses" in a sense. Here are the results of that experiment, some may make you go "duh!", and others may make your nod in interest.

_-=*~_/[Step One]\_~*=-_
My first move was re-introduce myself as somebody else, that nobody would know. I created SoulStrings.

Now SoulStrings was supposed to be your every man. He reviewed rarely, and mainly those in the same genre. He was technically there to try and get as much exposure as he could without doing the fan chasing. When he DID leave reviews however, he left pretty damn large ones, go check them out if you don't believe me, I left damn essays on each song >:(!

The results of said experiment.
- A close circle of loyal listeners that stood by every piece I submitted due to the large reviews.
- Review/Response Ratio (30-40%) mainly those in the same genre.
- Still I get pm's from some people asking them to review their pieces despite the fact SoulStrings has not submitted anything in a month and has remained silent for a long while.

His disappearance was intentional of course, to see what would happen to his page without any more effort poured in from SoulString's side.

The results were pretty obvious.

Effort spent, is reviews earned, clearly and frankly speaking, unless you have your audio looping on the front page... or making Techno songs, because 14 year olds seem to enjoy techno/trance pieces so damn much, that section clearly ushers in more reviews, and a crap load more competition and 0 bombs.

I can say this statement with confidence as it was generally agreed that SoulString's music was better structured and melodically more advanced. Technically he should have been more famous then MaestroSorrow.

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So after recieving this data, I was faced with a question of fanbases. How would they influence the tides here (other then the obvious)? Clearly an already established fanbase would greatly effect your page with 5 votes and 0 bombs to your competition (if they seem to idolize you enough...)

However I could not test out any theories involving these fanbases by returning to MaestroSorrow, that would blatantly make that account out as a liar and the data would be tainted. Yes I recognize that by returning period my credibility to what I say has been damaged but for this next step it was a sacrafice I wanted to make.

_-=*~_/[Step Two]\_~*=-_
I created MaestroRage.

Why? I needed a face that was familiar to people. Not famous, but at least with a decent amount of listeners to have the data effected in the way I wanted. I began creating what I felt was some of my best work and plastered it up there.

MaestroRage was supposed to act like MaestroSorrow, mass reviewing. Not one liners of course, I have NEVER approved of giving one line reviews, only in EXTREME conditions where I honestly didn't know what to say, yet wanted to drop my support, even then it was always at least 3 liners.

I also added another twist to the reviewing. MaestroRage spent 90% of his reviews outside his genre.

THe results of the second experiment
- 80% of reviews given were returned, 5 votes were freely given from that person since they were outside the genre that they were voting for, they did not feel threatened by the score of that song and could honestly and freely support said artist.
- Finding underrated and for some reason ignored artists of course was another field MaestroRage focused on. He made it his DUTY to find those who were freshly into the system, who were in need of a some kind words and constructive reviews. I remember my first review given by OCON and I still remember that giddy feeling. MaestroRage spent his energy invoking that same feeling to as many as he could, while he could. This of course built some bonds with some of the other artists, sharing ideas, stories, samples, a small network was being formed.

Because MaestroRage also tapped into whatever remains of fanbase there was left for MaestroSorrow, reviews and downloads were of course greatly increased compared to the speed of which SoulStrings got reviews and downloads. Again however this can be credited to the way MaestroRage reviewed over SoulStrings.

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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 21:36:08


Final Statements.
- Reviewing outside your genre will build tighter bonds with other artists as the competetive edge is removed, around 80% of outside reviews will result in a reply and hit back assuming that the artist in question is not very popular or frankly lazy as in that case usually they will not feel the need to hit that person back (don't deny this guys, i've seen you all do this, including myself).
- Reviewing inside your genre will overall return 20-40% reply back, as well as this, after giving the initial review, the artists in that same genre may tend to stay away from you. They are after all in the same genre as you, and the competitive edge they feel will make them a bit more hostile towards you. On top of all this, after leaving a review, most of the time the reviewer will not actually vote, or in some severe cases, actually 0 bomb you, but say they voted 5 in the review. The cloak and choke I call it. I have personally seen somebody drop me this review, and then my score was 0 bombed merely seconds after. It could be a freak coincidence, but not likely.
- Effort spent is reviews earned. The success to newgrounds for many is 30% skill, and 70% reviewing. Unless again your songs loop on the Audio Portal front page, in that case it's 50% skill, and 50% sit back and watch the reviews and downloads fly :D (I would dare somebody to come forward and tell me this is NOT true!).
- The length of the review does not actually matter. You could write essay after essay, and you would not gain enough exposure to make it significant. Unless of course you reviewed 600 times like this with lengthy reviews... trust me, if you have that much energy, get back to that computer and make musical magic >:(! The most effective length of reviews is 2-5 paragraphs. This may seem a lot, but really it's not that much.
- Responding to reviews MAKES A DIFFERENCE! People who review your songs eagerly await your response to their words, as if to almost make sure that the person they review is really alive. Responding to reviews makes other people want to review, to see what you will write for them, I have seen many artists who did not respond to reviews and their first few songs got a good number of reviews, and then as they kept submitting, reviews became more and more sparce.
- You WILL learn a great deal from reviewing outside your genre, or reviewing many artists. There are DOZENS of brilliant, and innovative ideas and melodies that go by unnoticed EVERYDAY! I implore you all to take a day, and wonder the Audio Portal, you will not regret it!

This is the data I am willing to share, there is more but ultimately I can't say them with confidence, so I will not say them period.

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_-=*~_/[Step Three?]\_~*=-_
So what is next for me now? Now that i've collected all my data, do I return to my MaestroSorrow's account? I've even considered having SoulStrings destroyed so I can revamp and remaster the songs there to upload to MaestroRage (a few, some I really liked, and have the finished version for, but don't know if I should upload them to SoulStrings).

Well for now i've decided to remain with MaestroRage. Truth to be told, I can no longer find that same source of inspiration that led me to create songs like MaestroSorrow's. My songs have become more mainstream which I kind of disaprove of, and so instead of fusing two different styles together on the same page, I will let MaestroSorrow rest in peace. I will make SoulStrings my looping account. All my looping songs and segments will go there. I will also change SoulString's name to SoulSegments, or MaestroLoops.

That's it for now guys, thank you for your time.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 21:48:16


Your results are ery intersting, but I would fight against the "same genre" issue, using myself as an example. I personally care not so ery muuch for the genre when revieiwng, rahter what I know about hte genre, even if it´s a gnere I "specialise" and know more of then other.

That may just be me though.

Other information is interesting, but the facts are your´s, and I cannot use them for anything special, to be honest.
The whole experience though, seeing the soulstring + maestrosorrow/&rage as an experiment is quite interesting.

However, I cannot see the public major importance of this cause, it sem you´ve been very interested in finding results of your questions, as you´ve done. Some of the answers CAN be used for many purposes, some are quite useless.

However, this is what you´d expect to get (both useless and useful rsults) when doing something like this.

Nice thing mate, I hope to see you aroun more (and not some soul-rage dude messing up the freakin pleace;)

take care!


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 21:48:33


Interesting data, although there are exceptions... like dimrain, who reviews no one, and doesn't have any real musical skill EXCEPT in the area of composition, but when it comes to originality or creativity or sound quality... he sucks.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 22:07:20


Your mind works in funny ways. And now you've gone and confuzzled me. Gah. o_o

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 22:11:06


Interesting read, I guess it's time for me to get reviewing! ...sooner or later.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 23:09:57


As one of the new artists who've had the privilage of being reviewed by MaestroRage, I must say he's pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's a great feeling to have a long, detailed review on a song of yours! (It was even in the same genre as his stuff. Fancy that. lol) And now I hafta review one of his, or feel guity for the rest of my life. Gah.

I've been uploading stuff for a while, but didn't really take the time to review other stuff, mostly because my firewall wouldn't play the songs, and partly cause I'm lazy like that. Maybe I should try it someday, share the love. lol

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-11 23:15:55


Aww, you remembered! Thanks man, it's been a pleasure...

OCON

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-12 00:53:36


Hm...I read most of that, and this implies that one sticks to a certain genre. See I dont have a certain genre down yet, I just go into miscellaneus because I dont know where to put it at. So should I just review every genre? that should be best, I suppose...


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-12 01:00:15


Also, submitting a lot of songs makes people think that you are stupid, unoriginal, and overrated.

:/


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-12 12:35:14


At 10/12/06 01:00 AM, BlackNoise wrote: Also, submitting a lot of songs makes people think that you are stupid, unoriginal, and overrated.

Fuck 'em! You totally rock BN, I love your bittersweet melody remix ^_^

And Maestro, I don't see why people majoring in the same genre as you would get hostile when you reviewed their music, or not return the favor. I'd be delighted if API, PX9, dj-padman, cornnbeans or synkon ever reviewed one of my Dnb songs... or even someone not as good or popular, junglists gotta stick together and show some reskpect, foo... or maybe that's just me.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-12 12:41:52


all i have to say is wow.


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-12 15:50:04


Your a genuis Maestro.

Sadly, I don't find much time (nor the patience) to review so many pieces thought I am always there to review for anyone who asks, and when I remember I check the pages of people I know.

Sometimes, when I have free time I browse the AP but I am usually busy.

O- and I ALWAYS respond to reviews. :)

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 07:02:26


At 10/11/06 09:34 PM, MaestroRage wrote: _-=*~_/[Step One]\_~*=-_
My first move was re-introduce myself as somebody else, that nobody would know. I created SoulStrings.

So YOU were SoulStrings? I had no idea, lolz, you're music rocked there : )


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 10:09:49


Rucklo said:
Nice thing mate, I hope to see you aroun more (and not some soul-rage dude messing up the freakin pleace;)

No promises >:)

At 10/11/06 09:48 PM, Kirizzle wrote: Interesting data, although there are exceptions... like dimrain, who reviews no one, and doesn't have any real musical skill EXCEPT in the area of composition, but when it comes to originality or creativity or sound quality... he sucks.

You are right of course Kirizzle, there are ALWAYS exceptions, and there are more then one of course. Dimrain was actually one of the factors that led me to believe most of the reviews were handed down to Techno/Trance. I mean your "Underwater Chills" was in my opinion several times more entertaining and complex, and yet, lets compare reviews/votes/downloads right? When I wrote this, I was writing in the point of view of newcomers. People who recently start submitting are very competetive.

At 10/11/06 10:07 PM, Aimers wrote: Your mind works in funny ways. And now you've gone and confuzzled me. Gah. o_o

I'm sorry :(

At 10/11/06 10:11 PM, VegetarianMeat wrote: Interesting read, I guess it's time for me to get reviewing! ...sooner or later.

The sooner the better!

At 10/11/06 11:09 PM, crodian wrote: As one of the new artists who've had the privilage of being reviewed by MaestroRage, I must say he's pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's a great feeling to have a long, detailed review on a song of yours!

As you can see my friends, proof ;). Also Crodian, don't feel obligated to review back, I meant every word.

At 10/11/06 11:15 PM, OCON wrote: Aww, you remembered! Thanks man, it's been a pleasure...

Of course, i'm sure most regulars here remember their first review! Except BlackNoise, Chron, and TheComet, as they may... uuuh... not know which one of the hundreds ;).

At 10/12/06 12:53 AM, PrinceG wrote: Hm...I read most of that, and this implies that one sticks to a certain genre. See I dont have a certain genre down yet, I just go into miscellaneus because I dont know where to put it at. So should I just review every genre? that should be best, I suppose...

uuuh... every genre? Good luck X_x. If I were you, i've listened to quite a few of your songs. I am getting more Industrial/Hip Hop feel from your songs, many of them belong in those two genres. So I would advice you to dive a bit more into those. That is of course, assuming that really is what you like most. The genre you're most into, is usually the genre you have the most to say and talk about in your reviews.

At 10/12/06 01:00 AM, BlackNoise wrote: Also, submitting a lot of songs makes people think that you are stupid, unoriginal, and overrated.

Only because people can't figure out where so much energy and mental prowess comes from >:O! As Kirizzle mentioned, screw them.

At 10/12/06 12:35 PM, Kirizzle wrote: And Maestro, I don't see why people majoring in the same genre as you would get hostile when you reviewed their music, or not return the favor. I'd be delighted if API, PX9, dj-padman, cornnbeans or synkon ever reviewed one of my Dnb songs... or even someone not as good or popular, junglists gotta stick together and show some reskpect, foo... or maybe that's just me.

You are right Kirizzle, from the viewpoint of regulars, people who have had time to leave the competetive edge behind. However here's a question i've been pondering on, why is it that even regulars do not come around more often to support each other? Time constraints and real life obligations is a large factor I am sure, but even us regulars will stick to the genre we know best, and new artists who are trying to be the best in the genre you are in, they will listen to your stuff, find it intimidating, then justify some reason to why that song sux, and then 0 bomb it. Shamefully enough I did this to WinterWind's Eternal Levithian (I didn't 0 bomb it, but I was intimidated to the point I justified some reason to why I thought it was a bad song, though in truth, it wasn't). There are new people who do this every day!

Every 0 troll will eventually stop 0 bombing, either because through time they have simply grown tired of it, or they understand better of what it actually does, yet there is never EVER a day where 0 trolling doesn't occur. This led me to believe this fact. I could be wrong, but this is what I got from what I see.

At 10/12/06 12:41 PM, pitbulljones wrote: all i have to say is wow.

Thank you :D

At 10/12/06 03:50 PM, MusicalSerenity wrote: Sadly, I don't find much time (nor the patience) to review so many pieces thought I am always there to review for anyone who asks, and when I remember I check the pages of people I know.
Sometimes, when I have free time I browse the AP but I am usually busy.
O- and I ALWAYS respond to reviews. :)

Well you're doing the right thing by responding! It's not like you are FORCED to review, but it would help you get more reviews back. Take your time though.

At 10/13/06 07:02 AM, SuperDrummer146 wrote: So YOU were SoulStrings? I had no idea, lolz, you're music rocked there : )

Thank you ^^.

And I must say Deflektor, despite my attempts to hide my tracks, it seems you've caught onto most of the leads I had left. On a side project I also wanted to see if anybody would suspect or catch on. DavidOrr constantly reviewed saying "Your stuff sounds like MaestroSorrow", and so I suspected that he suspected (game of suspicion!). I however was completely unaware that Deflektor was inspecting things with a microscope :O! The game Nook thing WAS a pretty big blunder on my part.

And now, that i've responded to all of your comments, I would like to try and prove once again about responding to reviews. Does it not in some sense feel good to have all of your words acknowledged?

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 13:52:20


I have to be honest and say I don't review nearly as much as I should do, but I am faced with a conflict as to how and when I should review.

Firstly, my policy is never to leave a review in a negative light, and I don't want to upset any people who leave me posotive reviews themselves. I don't want to leave a review that, although is kind, makes them think that they lack skill or potential, as hearing that from somebody they respect is a real kick in the front teeth...

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 14:20:04


At 10/13/06 10:09 AM, MaestroRage wrote:
At 10/11/06 11:15 PM, OCON wrote: Aww, you remembered! Thanks man, it's been a pleasure...
Of course, i'm sure most regulars here remember their first review! Except BlackNoise, Chron, and TheComet, as they may... uuuh... not know which one of the hundreds ;).

I remember my first review. It was the review that kept me going... it was in all caps, and he gave it a score of 9. I was like "wow, people like what I make!" Then I submitted 2-5 songs a day from then on forth just so I could a few reviews...


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 16:46:52


Hehe... i'm proud to say I was one of the (few) people who knew everything from the beginning.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-13 22:32:00


At 10/13/06 10:09 AM, MaestroRage wrote: However here's a question i've been pondering on, why is it that even regulars do not come around more often to support each other?

I suppose we do, if we ask each other to do so... as in, "Chek out mah new trax lolol!"

Time constraints and real life obligations is a large factor I am sure, but even us regulars will stick to the genre we know best, and new artists who are trying to be the best in the genre you are in, they will listen to your stuff, find it intimidating, then justify some reason to why that song sux, and then 0 bomb it.

Yea, that makes plenty of sense. I'm trying to remember if I ever did that when I was still an audio newb. But I see no reason to do it today, like you said, I have no competitive edge, although, I don't believe that's what drives people to 0 bomb. People 0 bomb to get their songs on the top of the charts, why? Because they want the fame and glory, it's as simple and as obvious as that... most artists don't care if others are successful as long as they are successful, so I wouldn't call it a competition as much as I'd call it... uhhh... I dunno what I'd call it.

And I must say Deflektor, despite my attempts to hide my tracks, it seems you've caught onto most of the leads I had left.

You decorated your titles the same, you made similar sounding music and you replied to reviews just like the old MaestroSorrow that I knew a long time ago did. I don't think you fooled anyone ;P

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 10:39:10


I never knew you were gone #_#


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Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 11:22:59


Interesting story...still why people think about competition ?
What they get from here ?
-Money ? NO !
-Fame ? like for a nick name ...?that stupid (sorry but that is my opinion)
-A producer who make records with that material ?...i think not
so...what is the point in competition ?
For me,and i think also for many artists,Newgrounds is a place where they can share their passion for art, and a place where they can get some feedback for their works.
Making music for me is fun,and what i put here is to share it with more people,not only my close friends.
Situation changes with the music i have produced (like for money $).For the band and records i have i fight to have our audience and make some publicity...
so...there !

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 12:09:56


Fame? anyone remember the rumours about a certain audio artist 5'ing and self downloading themselves, who now alledgedly has some kind of record deal?

Also, anyone else remember bounc3? good guy, used to be here a lot, pwns the trance charts and also has a deal?

There is HOPE of getting somewhere, and its this hope that makes people shit on each other in the rush to make it to the top. If you're good enough and manage to make it somewhere without people style biting you then there IS chance. You have to be prolific though, and skilled, and fucking driven like a bat out of hell with mustard on its arsehole.

Anyone else noticed that the artists that get on best with each other in the forums tend to not be competition with each other, genre wise, in general?

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 12:45:19


At 10/13/06 04:52 PM, Deflektor76 wrote:
At 10/13/06 04:46 PM, MusicalSerenity wrote: Hehe... i'm proud to say I was one of the (few) people who knew everything from the beginning.
And you never told me! I had to figure it out by myself! Damn you! Curse you! Fuck you (whoops, wrong one)

Lol sorry! I wasn't supposed to tell anyone and as far as I know only MusicalRocky (and a few others who I forget) and I knew! >_<

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 12:55:24


At 10/14/06 12:47 PM, Deflektor76 wrote:
At 10/14/06 12:45 PM, MusicalSerenity wrote:
Lol sorry! I wasn't supposed to tell anyone and as far as I know only MusicalRocky (and a few others who I forget) and I knew! >_<
And how did you know that? Was it Maestrosorrow that told you?

No, all I knew was that he was gunna have a new AKA soon and I had to figure it out!

So me and MusicalRocky were trying to find out who. At first we thought it was _Arbiter_ and (as he regretably knows) we (or was it just me?) bombed him with "I FOUND U MAESTRO" PM's.

Later on, MusicalRocky found SoulStrings though and told me so he was the first to know and I was the second.... later I apologized to Arb :P

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 13:41:11


No they found out. They confronted my face and were like "I KNOW WHO TEH YOU IS!!"

except with less grammar.

I made them swear on their own graves not to tell until it was done.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 13:43:37


whoops, was on first page.

Not sure how Rocky found out. Maybe the same conclusion jumping skillz?

Response to The Maestro's Story 2006-10-14 14:34:29


At 10/14/06 12:09 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Also, anyone else remember bounc3? good guy, used to be here a lot, pwns the trance :charts and also has a deal?

That say much about trance :p

There is HOPE of getting somewhere, and its this hope that makes people shit on each :other in the rush to make it to the top. If you're good enough and manage to make it :somewhere without people style biting you then there IS chance.

Who ,from a record company check a place where you have 14 years old not very talented kids who steal musi , mixed with real artists,for finding next"Mozart" ?

Response to The Maestro's Story 2007-01-28 00:45:52


I love Maestro.

I miss Maestro.

I want Maestro.

Maestro hopefully would like to, and will talk to me like he used to... soon.

Response to The Maestro's Story 2007-01-28 01:47:17


wwooooaaaah.... wow dude, thats some intensive studying you did there, all while pumping out sweet, sweet music. I must say im very impressed, and would never have fathomed ANYONE trying to do something like this. All i know is that you have helped my music tremendously, and for that i am forever grateful XD Thank you MaestroSoulSorrowStringsofRage or whoever you wish to go by XD
lol thanks for you help, and your equally helpful insight on the werkinz of the ap XD

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Response to The Maestro's Story 2007-01-30 00:12:32


Wow :)