At 2/26/23 05:02 PM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:At 2/26/23 04:51 PM, DioShiba wrote:I think that's actually a good point because if anything, having guns in the home can mystify them for you and make them seem less like an enticing solution to one's problems, because your vision of them isn't clouded by edgy movies and news stories.At 2/26/23 04:42 PM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:To be fair, I was raised in a family where guns were in fact in my household and had a lot of problems, and I have a mental illness that I'm trying to treat with professional help due to a complicated past.At 2/26/23 10:33 AM, DioShiba wrote: Well it's not like I haven't said it before that the gun violence in general is a complex problem.Think about this way:
School shootings happen because parents aren't paying attention to their kids or are shitty to them behind closed doors. If they're gun owners then it's because they suck at keeping their guns secure like they should be.
Not sure how kids would get them otherwise unless they knew someone off the streets.
1 - If a kid grows up in a family with guns, but is raised well and has a good social circle and has their mental health taken care of, then they probably won't commit any shootings.
2 - If a kid grows up in a family without guns, and is raised well and has a good social circle and their mental health is taken care of, then they probably won't commit any shootings.
3 - If a kid grows up in a family with guns, but is abused/neglected and doesn't have any friends and has terrible unchecked mental health, there's a chance they might commit a shooting.
4 - If a kid grows up in a family without guns, and is abused/neglected and doesn't have friends and has terrible unchecked mental health, they probably won't commit any shootings but might do something equally horrible.
Food for thought
There were problems in that background but I didn't start questioning a lot of the things that were going on behind closed doors on my end until college... same with some of the friendships I had over the years.
If I stopped treatment, I could do something horrible. But if there's one thing I know is that there are things that you absolutely do not do with a gun, and even then guns are a powerful tool to a point where I don't feel comfortable holding one.
To simplify it down to those four things probably wouldn't be perfect examples to what happens in reality as a whole with how many nuances there are to this topic.
I didn't grow up with guns, but I had a lot of issues in high school and - as much as I hate to say it - did at certain times fantasize about getting horrible revenge against the people I felt had wronged me. I had no experience with guns so having one seemed like the ultimate form of power and control; perhaps if I'd grown up with them my whole life I wouldn't have looked at them that way.
In any case I'm glad I at least had a watchful mom who made sure I wasn't too alone with my dark thoughts. But it's always true that if you have someone hellbent on causing harm, they'll choose whatever options they have. And often times they're just as bad if not far worse than your typical mass shooting.
Trust, I've been there before. I definitely had a lot of thoughts going through my head where I wanted to kill everyone because I felt wronged by a few bad people in high school. But then there were also the good people in my high school and those who were willing to give me the chance and I had a mother and father whom, despite their faults kept me on a path to do better and sometimes some of the things I wanted didn't come to fruition for a reason.
And ultimately at the end of the day despite that and growing up around guns I just have no personal desire for one. I can understand why people would want them and why people are so adamant about keeping their 2nd Amendment Rights on this side of the globe but even then it doesn't change the fact that there are always going to be the few who as you said, are going to commit themselves to harming people by any means necessary if they haven't been stopped by some external and positive influence to keep them from a darker path.
At 2/26/23 05:18 PM, Braindeaduser wrote: they might not have to know the good and bad guy because if the good guy is sharp enough shooter, he can take out the bad guy.
I can see why EdyKel fixed your comment.
One person can be a sharp shooter, the other can have a bad aim. At the end of the day whether or not they are a good or bad shot, if a person is committed to harming others they still have the potential to kill someone who happens to be good and happens to have a gun if they have enough experience with guns.
