At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Also read the reviews. I'm not saying I agree with his message, in fact I don't.

at first i thought it was completley ridiculous and shameless that you put it on the front page... but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl

In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

Isn't this the exact same reason why a vote timer was put into the movies that are under judgment, that if people who liked Foamy and voted based upon name alone would have to at least to see if the movie was of good enough quality to pass judgment. Don't you agree that this Foamy flash is of extremly low quality, even by normal Foamy standards.

At 8/30/05 03:01 PM, -Gomez- wrote: He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.

What I'm coming to understand is that this site doesn't give two shits about him either, we just use him for publicity.

I haven't watched this movie, and even though I'm considering it now that there's a huge controversy about it, I'll probably get lazy or forget when I get home. He doesn't animate well... meh. He's sometimes funny... meh. He gets the frontpage and brings in new people... meh.

A lot of people love him, and as a result of him putting his content on Newgrounds and getting featured here, a lot of people love Newgrounds. It's win/win in my eyes, seeing as how flash works of artistic merit or programming prowess will be put on the front page right next to IllWill's entries and will garner clicks as a result of that.

I think that's all I've got to contribute to this topic, because for a heated argument, it sure is going nowhere.

At 8/30/05 03:05 PM, ShadowWarriorLuke wrote: Funnily enough, I've shown two of my friends on MSN this flash. Neither have seen a Foamy toon before and both said that they thought it was crap. Of the ones I've seen I certainly don't like them. I'm not one of these "VOTED 0 WITHOUT WATCHING BLAM BLAM!" types and I understand it's on a current event. I (and a lot of others) just don't think that it's front page worthy. A lot of people do these types of submissions as a cash-in for front page (Tear for London for example) and I reckon that's the case here. I'm not saying blam it or take the score down or whatever but front page is a bit much. Wasn't the automated collections designed for stuff like this to get exposure?

You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

The automated collection system is a way to help showcase more entries, but we still need the pull of our front page to get traffic into those collections.

i like it 7/10 3/5

just because it reminds me of what my mom says when watching the news

i'll go hide in a dark room now

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

As i'm pretty sure that when the London bombing happened it was on the news in England 24/7.

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

:stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

At 8/30/05 03:09 PM, theabominablematt wrote: but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl

Hehe, it may not be that they are stupid, but easily amused. Anyone here ever go to a movie and wonder why so many people are laughing at it? It takes a lot for me to laugh, or certain types of humor. I don't find myself laughing along with the masses, but the masses sure do laugh at just about any stupid thing! That's why Foamy does so well, because the masses are easily amused, and a still picture of a squirell going off is more than enough to make them laugh and vote high.

At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: you'll probably see A LOT of people agree with him. Remember, the country is divided, while half of us think one way, the other half thinks the other, so half the country would probably agree with his message.

The country isn't voting on it, a plethora of little kids are. But, you're right: arguing continually over isn't going anywhere, and from a business point of view, you have to appease your fanbase. I've made my points clear I think (and so have the others), so I'm going to go get ready for work. :)

At 8/30/05 03:10 PM, Morextremist wrote: In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

Yeah, if we had no morals or ethics. We hold our voting system in high regard and never mess with the #'s. The same goes for the experience system.

If Tom, or I, don't like the score an entry has we do what everyone else does, we vote. We have no more voting power than anyone else with similar stats (exp points blam/save bonus)

At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I'll go check it out. The only reason I found IWP's entry is because someone made a topical about Hurricane Flash and I thought if there was anything decent I should get it on the front page.

At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

Hehe, it may not be that they are stupid, but easily amused. Anyone here ever go to a movie and wonder why so many people are laughing at it? It takes a lot for me to laugh, or certain types of humor. I don't find myself laughing along with the masses, but the masses sure do laugh at just about any stupid thing! That's why Foamy does so well, because the masses are easily amused, and a still picture of a squirell going off is more than enough to make them laugh and vote high.

Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

yo Wade, check the portal.

Anywho I'll post back later I got to fix the AC, it crapped out again. Makes you think, we got power and people down there don't.....makes me feel guilty honestly. Anywho i'm off.

At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I don't think it's something the masses will get to excited about. It's just something you'd see on the news. Think of us as record producers. We've been looking through a lot of content for many years. We watch all kinds of stats. We know what will work and what won't. Some things we put on the front page to bring in traffic, while other things we put there because we think it is very well done and deserves more exposure, even if we know it won't bring in traffic.

At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, Grandfather-Clock wrote: i would like to hear TOM FULPS opinion seeing as this is TOM FULPS website and not that of the afforementioned wadefulp

he's an imporant person on newgrounds either way.

At 8/30/05 02:47 PM, CadillacClock wrote:

At 8/30/05 02:37 PM, CheezNapkin wrote: You know what? They might have taken it a little bit too far by putting a movie on the front page, but look at "B" compared to that movie. It probably did take him a long time to draw the picture, whereas "B" took no time at all. And you people worship B and dis Illwill's one-frame movie. And yes, Illwill was pretty lazy, but think about it, there's a lot worse.

B's score was not high after being submitted it took years of mass voting and other's 0ing to get it to that score.

It's funny though. You people say stuff like "If it wasn't for it being by Illwillpress, It would've been blammed.". But then you go and vote 5 on B. Isn't that kinda ironic? I mean, if B was submitted now, and nobody knew who SBC was, They would've blammed it instantly.

At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, thisguy9 wrote:

Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

As much as I wish foamy would stop existing, keep in mind that NG is a business. If NG didn't go for publicity it wouldn't get the traffic it does now. Traffic = money, which in turn equals the site running better with new features, and being able to support more and more users...

At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, thisguy9 wrote: Even if so, why do you feel the need to post it on the front page? If it's for traffic, then you're just as bad as illwill is, looking for publicity more than anyhting else. I just watched the new flash again, and it's kinda ironic that foamy is blaming the reporters for the same thing he is doing.;)

So you are saying we shouldn't try and keep our traffic high? You are saying we should let our traffic drop, reduce the exposure our Flash artists will get?

Of course it's for traffic. People didn't email Tom many years ago and ask him to put their Flash on his website because they just wanted it on his site. They wanted it there because they knew Tom had a popular site and their work would get more exposure being there. So our goal has always been to get as much exposure as possible for all our contributors.

Look around NG. Everything is designed to bring in an audience and keep it here.

Why did I come up with the idea for the blam/save point system? Because we needed more people watching ALL the incoming portal submissions. Entries would leave the top 50 list with 15-30 votes, now they leave with well over 200 votes and usually with at least 800 views. That's a dramatic increase in exposure for ALL artists who submit to our portal.

At 8/30/05 03:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:21 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I'll go check it out. The only reason I found IWP's entry is because someone made a topical about Hurricane Flash and I thought if there was anything decent I should get it on the front page.

the pictures are decent. But the text needs work. Front page? maybe

it is more appropriate to the situation than IllWill, but it still isn't a "great movie"... I think you need a disaster collection

theres a 9/11 collection but there should be a disaster tribute section, the movie will go in the normal place for foamy rants though.

At 8/30/05 03:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: the pictures are decent. But the text needs work. Front page? maybe

it is more appropriate to the situation than IllWill, but it still isn't a "great movie"... I think you need a disaster collection

Alright, let's look at these two entries. I'm putting you in charge of bringing more traffic to Newgrounds. I want you to find a Hurricane Flash that you think will best bring traffic to the site and get a lot of views. You have to choose between Foamy's Hurricane Rant or this other entry with copyrighted AP pictures, text, and music. Which do you choose?

Next scenerio, Foamy is already on the front page and you believe it will bring in a lot of traffic. You want to find other content to put on the front page that will bring in traffic, or is high quality and deserving of more exposure. Do you choose to put the 2nd hurricane entry up? Or keep looking?

At 8/30/05 03:31 PM, Afro_Ninja wrote:

As much as I wish foamy would stop existing, keep in mind that NG is a business. If NG didn't go for publicity it wouldn't get the traffic it does now. Traffic = money, which in turn equals the site running better with new features, and being able to support more and more users...

if that is true, then i will gladly put up with one bad flash to enjoy countless great ones;) but i do think there are some flashes getting blammed that are better than some of illwill's work. I'm not saying illwill's foamy toons are all bad, but the newers ones are passing with to much score:o

At 8/30/05 03:27 PM, Karakou wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:24 PM, Grandfather-Clock wrote: i would like to hear TOM FULPS opinion seeing as this is TOM FULPS website and not that of the afforementioned wadefulp

he's an imporant person on newgrounds either way.

Well, considering Tom puts 99% of the Foamy entries on the front page (meaning when Foamy entries appear on the front page, it's usually Tom putting them there, not that he features 99% of IWP's submissions, although it might be close to that anyway), I figure he would have put it there if I didn't.

At 8/30/05 03:34 PM, thisguy9 wrote

if that is true, then i will gladly put up with one bad flash to enjoy countless great ones;) but i do think there are some flashes getting blammed that are better than some of illwill's work. I'm not saying illwill's foamy toons are all bad, but the newers ones are passing with to much score:o

I'm not arguing that point. If this entry was submitted by someone else and was blammed, that would have been unfortunate. It's also a shame when any entry that has some redeeming qualities, that doesn't break any of our rules, gets blammed.

We'd rather see crap Flash stay on the site, as long as it had some effort, than be blammed. It doesn't hurt anything, if it's got a low score, anything under a 3 or 2, above the blam threshold, it won't win any awards. All it will do is encourage the submitter to try harder and that person many some day submit something very good.

It's hard to get that point across to all our portal voters. The system will never be perfect, but I like to think it works pretty well, all things considered.

At 8/30/05 03:36 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

Well, considering Tom puts 99% of the Foamy entries on the front page (meaning when Foamy entries appear on the front page, it's usually Tom putting them there, not that he features 99% of IWP's submissions, although it might be close to that anyway), I figure he would have put it there if I didn't.

The frontpage isnt the only problem, its that this is a good example that crap flash is surviving blams simply because of the authors or mass voting. need i remind you of the Star syndicate's time trials?

At 8/30/05 03:34 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

:with copyrighted AP pictures, text, and music. Which do you choose?

Pictures are creddited to cnn.com

Text are quoted or my opinion, there fore anything without quotes is my thought.

music is creditted.

At 8/30/05 03:37 PM, GeorgeTopouria wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:34 PM, WadeFulp wrote: bla bla

Just read my email about Saving Wade and put it on frontpage

After all the emails I get from people wanting your account deleted and all the trouble you cause? Forget it.

Even other NG admins want to delete your account.

At 8/30/05 03:40 PM, thisguy9 wrote: The frontpage isnt the only problem, its that this is a good example that crap flash is surviving blams simply because of the authors or mass voting. need i remind you of the Star syndicate's time trials?

The problem is, it isn't crap Flash. Well, I should say at least it isn't crappy content. It's effective content that will prove to be very popular. So why should it be blammed? Just because you don't like it?

At 8/30/05 03:42 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 8/30/05 03:40 PM, thisguy9 wrote: The frontpage isnt the only problem, its that this is a good example that crap flash is surviving blams simply because of the authors or mass voting. need i remind you of the Star syndicate's time trials?

The problem is, it isn't crap Flash. Well, I should say at least it isn't crappy content. It's effective content that will prove to be very popular. So why should it be blammed? Just because you don't like it?

I'm quoting myself! I guess the point I'm trying to make is people should try and recognize Flash that has the potential to be very popular with the masses. What we call viral. Even if you think it's crap, but see it's potential, it shouldn't be blammed.

At 8/30/05 03:42 PM, GeorgeTopouria wrote: Well, SW3 wasn't made fully by me, and it's not fair for my mistakes to affect him.
Wait, Tom wants my account deleted?

There are several NG admins. I never said it was Tom, never said it wasn't. Just know you are on thin ice.