At 10/16/12 12:34 AM, midimachine wrote: i would rather bash my dick with a dumbell than ever use protools again. it is literally the most convoluted, obfuscated and clumsily designed piece of software i've ever had the misfortune of using. all the same recording flexibility is offered by logic, cubase, reaper etc. and they're all cheaper and easier to use. that it happens to be the "industry standard" has absolutely no bearing on how it functions, and frankly it has no place in a discussion about good DAWs. fuck protools.

I have a similar opinion of ProTools. It came for "free" with my audio interface, I thought"Yay, ProTools!", tried it and deinstalled it. I've tried every commonly known DAW, and ProTools was the one I liked the least.

And referring to a former post: Yes, recording in FL Studio is no fun. In Ableton, it is.

I got Ableton, namely because I was fascinated with the Launchpad and how you could play live with it & the "sample drum" kits. Agreed it's a little harder to learn, but once you take the time to, you'll find it very flexible. Really lets you stretch your legs with creativity.

As far as how it matches up against FL Studio. I can't say for sure. I tried it back when it was just called "Fruity Loops" (6?) and didn't care for it much. Looking at it now (a friend uses it), I could probably use it... but I'm already so far into learning Ableton, that switching directions would be silly.

The functionality look similar, but in different places. Which should you pick? I would call this similar to wanting a new coat. One red, one blue. Both will keep you warm (doing what it needs to do), but one will suit you better. Like others have said, try both on and see which one really calls to you...

I guess... the wand chooses the wizard? lol

At 10/16/12 10:59 AM, Ectohelix wrote:

The functionality look similar, but in different places. Which should you pick? I would call this similar to wanting a new coat. One red, one blue. Both will keep you warm (doing what it needs to do), but one will suit you better. Like others have said, try both on and see which one really calls to

Or you can use both

At 10/8/12 05:19 AM, The-iMortal wrote: If you're new to production, I'd recommend you go with FL Studio. However, I use Ableton Live currently and could never go back to FL.

Reasons why I use Ableton:

1. Unlimited amount of effects per track.
2. Each effect/plugin is copy and pastable (with all settings).
3. Automation clips are way easier to implement than any other DAW I've used.
4. The interface is neat and tidy.

Reasons I would go with FL Studio if I was a beginner:

1. The pattern maker is very fun and easy to use.
2. The interface, even though not my favourite for workflow, looks pretty damn cool.
3. Many, many tutorials on it are available on the web, and most people on Newgrounds use it.

Who would need an unlimited amount of effects per track? It's an unnecessary feature, unless you're an audionoob.
And why would ever need to copy and paste effect. I do not understand why you hail these features that no one would ever really use. FL is not for beginners, just because the interface is simple many people assume this. FL has all the complexities and powers of any other DAW, and the auto clips are just as easy to use.

At 10/18/12 07:52 PM, Slipstreamer wrote: Who would need an unlimited amount of effects per track? It's an unnecessary feature, unless you're an audionoob.

It's still handy to know that you can apply as much as you need.

And why would ever need to copy and paste effect.

Maybe when you have a sidechain compressor and it's setting that you want to be applied to a different, with very similar settings but not identical. Copy, paste, change the knobs a tiny bit. Challenge completed in record timing.

Or perhaps you have one vocal track to work with, and you want to create harmonies with that single file. The vocal track has a slight clip or hit. So you change the pitch of the harmonies, apply different EQ, reverb and delay settings. Back to the lead vocal, you automate an EQ to roll out that mic hit. Need to roll out that mic hit in the backing vocals too? Copy and paste the EQ plugin. Its automation is copied too.

Granted, many of these things can be increased with sends or whatever, but it's those kind of things that increase workflow for me.

FL is not for beginners, just because the interface is simple many people assume this.

FL is better for beginners than Ableton Live is.

FL has all the complexities and powers of any other DAW

Not denying it.

and the auto clips are just as easy to use.

Now that's just lol-worthy. Ableton Live is renowned for it's fast workflow with automation clips. Nothing against FL Studio, it's just a fact that Live does it better.

I'm telling ya, people get so patriotic about their DAW, they make console fanboys look timid.

At 10/18/12 08:08 PM, The-iMortal wrote: Maybe when you have a sidechain compressor and it's setting that you want to be applied to a different, with very similar settings but not identical. Copy, paste, change the knobs a tiny bit. Challenge completed in record timing.

I see what you are saying here, but FL has this exact same functionality, it's called saving a preset. It saves the state of the settings of a plug-in which can then be loaded to get the same effect as what you are describing; ie copy/paste

Or perhaps you have one vocal track to work with, and you want to create harmonies with that single file. The vocal track has a slight clip or hit. So you change the pitch of the harmonies, apply different EQ, reverb and delay settings. Back to the lead vocal, you automate an EQ to roll out that mic hit. Need to roll out that mic hit in the backing vocals too? Copy and paste the EQ plugin. Its automation is copied too.

Now, this is neat. I didn't know this. And I haven't used FL in a while, but I don't seem to remember it copying auto clips.

Granted, many of these things can be increased with sends or whatever, but it's those kind of things that increase workflow for me.

Agreed.

FL is better for beginners than Ableton Live is.

Without a doubt.

FL has all the complexities and powers of any other DAW

Not denying it

Then you are not ignorant by any means (:

and the auto clips are just as easy to use.

Now that's just lol-worthy. Ableton Live is renowned for it's fast workflow with automation clips. Nothing against FL Studio, it's just a fact that Live does it better.

I have tried albeton, but did not find this aspect to be any faster or more efficient. Maybe I'm just use to FL

I'm telling ya, people get so patriotic about their DAW, they make console fanboys look timid.

Ain't that the truth. I just defend FL to death.

Hey I use FL Studio and its ok,

I went to Point Blank Studios in London, used Ableton on the MAC, and I found it so difficult to use as the controls were so stiff and ridgid. Eventually I got the program and it felt that it was meant for Performing live sets and things like that. Whereas FL Studio is more designed around production. However I find FL Studio at times frustrating as you don't have what Ableton has Live Recording Mode so you kinda hope for the best feeling when produing.