At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: To be fair, it's a big ass selection to vote on :| People vote on what they know.

Well that right there is a huge problem. How can the best be voted for if people won't even bother to watch all of or at least the majority of the submissions before voting?

More than anything I'm bothered by the fact that Raw Latex was awarded the best of June when, in my opinion, it shouldn't have even been in the top 10. Clockwork Gentlemen, Court-Circuit, and Menu, which were the three bottom-ranked submissions, were all unique submissions that had an engaging art style (and didn't have stupid fart and dick jokes) which both made them stand out amongst their peers, which is something we were supposed to be looking for when voting but that clearly didn't happen (half of the winning submissions aren't even original works, two of which are in the top 5).

At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: Maybe everyone with an account should do the monthly voting, then the selected pool can vote on the run-off selections.

My understanding is that that is basically how it works right now. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but the submissions that we voted on for the best of June were all of the daily best and front page movies/games, so we were, in essence, picking the "best of the best".

At 7/9/13 12:56 AM, Diki wrote:

At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: To be fair, it's a big ass selection to vote on :| People vote on what they know.

Well that right there is a huge problem. How can the best be voted for if people won't even bother to watch all of or at least the majority of the submissions before voting?

More than anything I'm bothered by the fact that Raw Latex was awarded the best of June when, in my opinion, it shouldn't have even been in the top 10. Clockwork Gentlemen, Court-Circuit, and Menu, which were the three bottom-ranked submissions, were all unique submissions that had an engaging art style (and didn't have stupid fart and dick jokes) which both made them stand out amongst their peers, which is something we were supposed to be looking for when voting but that clearly didn't happen (half of the winning submissions aren't even original works, two of which are in the top 5).

These are the reasons I pretty much just stick to Vimeo now. The staff pics for the animation division are almost always fantastic and fresh little films. Im sure most of them would never even get any recognition on here.

At 7/9/13 12:56 AM, Diki wrote:

At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: Maybe everyone with an account should do the monthly voting, then the selected pool can vote on the run-off selections.

My understanding is that that is basically how it works right now. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but the submissions that we voted on for the best of June were all of the daily best and front page movies/games, so we were, in essence, picking the "best of the best".

Best of the worst lol. But seriously, yeah, you must be right.. 5 movies and 5 games are given honors every day, for a total of 300 per month, along with the FP honored stuff as well! I don't debate the selection offered, it's the challenge of voting properly.

I'd feel much better if there was a countdown timer on the voting page, so I know exactly how much time is left, to meditate and research the entrants properly. Then I wouldn't feel so shitty after I hit submit :| It's rare I feel good about voting... I'd bug the fuck out if our vote choices were made public O_O

What is the screenshot from that TomFulp attached in the original post?! I want to watch the hell out of that.

At 7/9/13 02:58 AM, PoisonHeart wrote: What is the screenshot from that TomFulp attached in the original post?! I want to watch the hell out of that.

BLISS. I agree it should have been ranked way higher =/

At 7/9/13 01:25 AM, Gerkinman wrote: These are the reasons I pretty much just stick to Vimeo now. The staff pics for the animation division are almost always fantastic and fresh little films. Im sure most of them would never even get any recognition on here.

The staff seem to follow the interests of users when selecting for the FP... but the age demographic has been slipping, since video streaming and YouTube have been gaining drones. NG always had a junior high school feel to it, since it was founded for professional stiffs to blow off steam, and for noobs and students looking to up their game.

BLISS should've had a way higher score, but I can understand why it didn't. It hit too close to the mark for the people of this fantasy land website. In the real world, little Johnny is farting around on this site, because he and his parents can't afford to buy a new game every month. While he's busy watching Zone-Sama and the Shad's work, mom and dad are wondering when the eviction notice will arrive. 30 days after that, the County sheriff will arrive, because a lot of people weren't able to keep making escalating mortgage and property tax payments.

The Western world is asleep, and Mr. Sandman is working overtime... and so is AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Bristol-Myers Squibb, GlaxoSmithKline and Eli Lilly. We are taught not to question authority in school, but the actions of our respective governments have been quite suspect lately.....

At 7/9/13 03:50 AM, VicariousE wrote:

At 7/9/13 01:25 AM, Gerkinman wrote:

BLISS should've had a way higher score, but I can understand why it didn't. It hit too close to the mark for the people of this fantasy land website. In the real world, little Johnny is farting around on this site, because he and his parents can't afford to buy a new game every month. While he's busy watching Zone-Sama and the Shad's work, mom and dad are wondering when the eviction notice will arrive. 30 days after that, the County sheriff will arrive, because a lot of people weren't able to keep making escalating mortgage and property tax payments.

Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

At 7/9/13 03:23 AM, MSGhero wrote: BLISS. I agree it should have been ranked way higher =/

I tried man. It was my #2 choice for my best 10. :(

0_0 Whoa, wait, we got the #2 game of the month!? I am seriously freaking out right now. Thanks so much Newgrounds! Anna was wondering why we were getting so much traffic recently. Seriously crazy.

About BLISS, I watched it based on everyone's recommendations here, and it was pretty darn good. I think some of the other top movies scored higher because they were comedy, and that will always get a stronger immediate reaction than drama. Especially when you throw in beautiful, flawed nostalgia. =)

Wow, thank you very much, I'm so much honored :D

The hell? The top five games were ones I didn't even vote for. In other words they weren't even in my top TEN. What's wrong with you people?

At 7/8/13 08:20 PM, Gerkinman wrote: So the winners are Sexual Lobster who was paid to make the cartoon for a particular youtube channel, no doubt he was paid a substantial amount more then the newgrounds prize money.

Then you have Felix Colgraves Man Spaghetti which has been focused on sites the calibre of Cartoon Brew, a site which notoriously avoids featuring Flash content. This cartoon gets nothing.

We have our rule for what gets the prize money each month - the users voted Lobster above Felix. I would have loved to give $250 to Felix but it's just not how it panned out with the voting and we can't surprise people with bonus money out of thin air like we used to. You say NG is a hostile site but does YouTube ever put Felix on the front page for everyone who has never heard of him? Do they let him post on their front page? I think it's pretty damn impressive that Felix beat a Mario movie given this is the Internet and its open to everyone, not just people who are just like us. I like to think NG's efforts are shifting perspectives, making more kids choose a movie by Felix over a movie about Mario.

Cartoon Brew. Their front page is currently focused on Comic-Con, Disney people, Despicable Me 2, the Museum of Contemporary Art and PopEye. So nice of them to acknowledge a Flash movie once. Ya know what FUCK THE REST OF THE INTERNET give me $30 million dollars and I'll show you we can "get with the times" and "do it right" WHERE'S YOUR SUPPORTER BADGE GERKINMAN YOUR LAST MOVIE WAS ABOUT ZELDA sorry I know you're just trying to help us to stop sucking in your eyes.

Tom just PWNED that asshole.

At 7/9/13 09:44 AM, Listen2Reason wrote: The hell? The top five games were ones I didn't even vote for. In other words they weren't even in my top TEN. What's wrong with you people?

Which ones did you vote for?

At 7/9/13 11:49 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Tom just PWNED that asshole.

I don't want Gerkinman to be called an asshole and I was just joking at the end of that post, it's just really frustrating to constantly be compared to sites bankrolled by billionaires. We walked past the IAC building where Vimeo lives during the NY meetup. The whole neighborhood was chock full of hipster energy and I pictured how nice it must be to go work at a place that loses money but that's not your problem, you can just hang out and be better than everyone else. The creator of Vimeo is long gone and some day it may become a total train wreck when someone wants the bills to get paid. Or maybe it will just keep being pretty and awesome and people can keep lording it over us down here in the internet ghetto. YES I'm bitter because I show up every day and keep working on a great place and I think it's better than all the other places and I'm tired of people harping on it.

At 7/9/13 12:22 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 7/9/13 11:49 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Tom just PWNED that asshole.

I don't want Gerkinman to be called an asshole and I was just joking at the end of that post, it's just really frustrating to constantly be compared to sites bankrolled by billionaires. We walked past the IAC building where Vimeo lives during the NY meetup. The whole neighborhood was chock full of hipster energy and I pictured how nice it must be to go work at a place that loses money but that's not your problem, you can just hang out and be better than everyone else. The creator of Vimeo is long gone and some day it may become a total train wreck when someone wants the bills to get paid. Or maybe it will just keep being pretty and awesome and people can keep lording it over us down here in the internet ghetto. YES I'm bitter because I show up every day and keep working on a great place and I think it's better than all the other places and I'm tired of people harping on it.

I totally get Gerk's frustration, but he was WAY off base. Whenever I upload ANYTHING to both Newgrounds and Youtube, Newgrounds always gets more hits and more actual response from the audience. NG has the hungry audience and a dedicated, badass staff. What more could you want? Free BJs? Ok, that's fair... That's fair, but we've run out, it was a limited time offer.

Keep on kicking all the asses, Fulp!!

I know your whole motto is to try and include users as part of your site (hell it's the very core of it's design) yet I can't shake that for *The Best of* especially with a cash prize it should be chosen by staff + mods Vs. random users.

I can understand the difficulty in ranking entries, how does one choose what is more important? Say one movie presents original ideas and characters, but has poor voice work and/or weak animation. Another has excellent, colorful animation with top notch dialogue, yet treads on old ground and boring subject matter. Who do you award and who do you give a pat on the back and shove out the door?

Bliss should have won imo and I did vote Raw Latex for second I believe, however I wasn't aware about the back-story of it not even being developed for Newgrounds and that is was receiving commission from Youtube. This raises more questions, do I take this knowledge into account for my voting habits or do I push that aside?

Regarding the cash award, forgive my ignorance, but why not lower the prize and offer one for game entries? such as 125$ for each?

Kinda off subject- wish the store would receive some new merch. I'll receive flak for this I'm sure, but I'm heavily against the supporter upgrade for many reasons I don't want to list now, but myself and I'm sure others are more than willing to support NG by purchasing yo cool shit dawg. I bought Castle Crashers and Alien Hominid by the way!

Vimeo... *shivers* don't even compare yourself to them Tom. Their search engine sucks balls, uploading anything is slow as shit -seriously you have to have the patience of a Buddhist monk- the admins incorrectly flag users daily, I can just smell the foul inner workings behind that company and one day they're going to feel the brunt force of their poor decisions.

At 7/9/13 12:22 PM, TomFulp wrote:

YES I'm bitter because I show up every day and keep working on a great place and I think it's better than all the other places and I'm tired of people harping on it.

People harp and complain BECAUSE they want this place to be better, it's when people grow quiet and say nothing that you should worry! We know you work hard Tom!

There are many minor and a few major changes I would love to see happen, but sadly I'm just a nobody with an opinion.

Congrats to the winners.

At 7/9/13 12:50 PM, Elixur wrote: People harp and complain BECAUSE they want this place to be better, it's when people grow quiet and say nothing that you should worry! We know you work hard Tom!

There are many minor and a few major changes I would love to see happen, but sadly I'm just a nobody with an opinion.

This part is very true, getting no comments about the site makes me saddest of all so it's good to see people being passionate... Although there can be a difference between passionate hopes for the site and just being negative towards it. I was feeling really proud about June overall because of all the great movies, everything not getting voted in a perfect order shouldn't ruin it. And for the record I enjoyed that Mario movie.

Also I like seeing what changes people want on the site and there are plenty of constructive ways to note them, so opine away! Change doesn't always get to come fast but things are always moving behind the scenes.

At 7/9/13 05:20 AM, Gerkinman wrote: Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

Hopefully it will. It takes all of us here to point the artists in the right direction. Your experience with Newgrounds and other sites can be an invaluable asset, to artists who just keep their heads down, and does what he or she does best.

At 7/9/13 04:05 PM, VicariousE wrote:

At 7/9/13 05:20 AM, Gerkinman wrote: Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

Hopefully it will. It takes all of us here to point the artists in the right direction. Your experience with Newgrounds and other sites can be an invaluable asset, to artists who just keep their heads down, and does what he or she does best.

I might be totally crazy but I've always felt that festivals lost a lot of relevancy the moment the web came about. Before the web, a festival was how you got your stuff shown to an audience... But the audience is tiny compared to the web. Yes it's good for prestige and yes it can help you get in front of industry people, but that is all changing too. I did a search to see if I was the only one who feels this way and here is a good article:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/will-youtube-make-
festivals-obsolete-for-indies.php

People take their validation where they want... Does the opinion of some people you don't know at a random festival hold more value than the opinions of artists you like here on NG? Joe2k worked on movies like Tangled and Rise of the Guardians, then just yesterday he favorited spacefader here on NG. I've heard tons of stories from people who got jobs where the interviewer was amped to see a reference to Newgrounds on their resume. NG might feel like a secret but the public is way more familiar with NG than just about any festival outside of Sundance.

At 7/9/13 04:55 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 7/9/13 04:05 PM, VicariousE wrote:

At 7/9/13 05:20 AM, Gerkinman wrote: Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

Hopefully it will. It takes all of us here to point the artists in the right direction. Your experience with Newgrounds and other sites can be an invaluable asset, to artists who just keep their heads down, and does what he or she does best.

I might be totally crazy but I've always felt that festivals lost a lot of relevancy the moment the web came about. Before the web, a festival was how you got your stuff shown to an audience... But the audience is tiny compared to the web. Yes it's good for prestige and yes it can help you get in front of industry people, but that is all changing too. I did a search to see if I was the only one who feels this way and here is a good article:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/will-youtube-make-
festivals-obsolete-for-indies.php

People take their validation where they want... Does the opinion of some people you don't know at a random festival hold more value than the opinions of artists you like here on NG? Joe2k worked on movies like Tangled and Rise of the Guardians, then just yesterday he favorited spacefader here on NG. I've heard tons of stories from people who got jobs where the interviewer was amped to see a reference to Newgrounds on their resume. NG might feel like a secret but the public is way more familiar with NG than just about any festival outside of Sundance.

I've worked at Titmouse for over 4 years now, on shows like Metalocalypse, Superjail, Motorcity, China, Il, Black Dynamite etc. etc. etc. (name dropping is douchey, but I've got a point to make)

And let me tell you, having your stuff do well on Newgrounds is JUST as valid as having worked on another show or having a master's degree. It makes a difference when we're looking for new hires, because your animation skills are one thing, but your sense of comedic timing and appeal are another, and Newgrounds is a PROVING grounds for that element.

I have been making art for at least 26 years. I have been using the internet since the mid 80's. And I couldn't be bothered to upload any of my art to the web. I DON"T FUCKING CARE what over opinionated, pretentious ass faces think. I got news for you internet "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR FACEBOOK STATUS IS" neither does anyone else. NEOGEO is the only internet bastion, the one place I can go without being bombard by the pathetic "NO LIFE" running commentary of people who just generally fail. The point is NEWGROUNDS members make the coolest stuff on the internet, and I can't wait to see what you guys make next...

Truly;

M.B. DeathInk

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I knew this will win. Good job all of you. Luck next month

HOLY SHIT! Did you see what kamikaye made for Robot day?! I am glad I brought my "A" game this year...

At 7/9/13 11:06 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 7/8/13 08:20 PM, Gerkinman wrote: So the winners are Sexual Lobster who was paid to make the cartoon for a particular youtube channel, no doubt he was paid a substantial amount more then the newgrounds prize money.

Then you have Felix Colgraves Man Spaghetti which has been focused on sites the calibre of Cartoon Brew, a site which notoriously avoids featuring Flash content. This cartoon gets nothing.

We have our rule for what gets the prize money each month - the users voted Lobster above Felix. I would have loved to give $250 to Felix but it's just not how it panned out with the voting and we can't surprise people with bonus money out of thin air like we used to. You say NG is a hostile site but does YouTube ever put Felix on the front page for everyone who has never heard of him? Do they let him post on their front page? I think it's pretty damn impressive that Felix beat a Mario movie given this is the Internet and its open to everyone, not just people who are just like us. I like to think NG's efforts are shifting perspectives, making more kids choose a movie by Felix over a movie about Mario.

Cartoon Brew. Their front page is currently focused on Comic-Con, Disney people, Despicable Me 2, the Museum of Contemporary Art and PopEye. So nice of them to acknowledge a Flash movie once. Ya know what FUCK THE REST OF THE INTERNET give me $30 million dollars and I'll show you we can "get with the times" and "do it right" WHERE'S YOUR SUPPORTER BADGE GERKINMAN YOUR LAST MOVIE WAS ABOUT ZELDA sorry I know you're just trying to help us to stop sucking in your eyes.

Your right, Youtube doesn't put Felix on front page, but then again it doesn't need to. Youtube itself isn't how most people find content but rather its through other blogs and sites that cater to those specific areas, such as animation. People get big on Youtube because someone with a large following them tweets about it or posts it on their blog. In much the same way videos go viral not from the youtube web page but over twitter and facebook. If you think that being front page on youtube is what makes a video popular then im afraid you dont understand how youtube as a website works, its a host designed to allow content to be shared over social media. Having content exist in a bubble isn't helping anyone, and THATs why launching a video player without an embed function seems ridiculous. If video has one advantage over crappy little .swf files aside from the fact they can contain anything you want its that they can easily be embedded and shared. Youtube and Vimeo both started out small, Vimeo started in 2004 from memory mind you and was never flooded with blogs and things like Youtube was. These were both sites started with small teams and then had money roll in afterwards when bigger companies saw the business potential of these sites. Maybe you had offers in the past for newgrounds from investors that you turned down for creative control reasons, or maybe nobody has even wanted the content on newgrounds enough to want to invest, I dont know. But I do know that as long as you host pictures of dogs fucking women by Shadman and gratuitous sex by the likes of Spazkid nobody is going to give you a dime.

And yeah, my last cartoon was a zelda cartoon, it got a daily place it didn't deserve but hey, it got traffic I guess. And thats what counts right? Its all about the hits because those ads are where newgrounds gets its money.

At 7/9/13 04:55 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 7/9/13 04:05 PM, VicariousE wrote:

At 7/9/13 05:20 AM, Gerkinman wrote: Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

Hopefully it will. It takes all of us here to point the artists in the right direction. Your experience with Newgrounds and other sites can be an invaluable asset, to artists who just keep their heads down, and does what he or she does best.

I might be totally crazy but I've always felt that festivals lost a lot of relevancy the moment the web came about. Before the web, a festival was how you got your stuff shown to an audience... But the audience is tiny compared to the web. Yes it's good for prestige and yes it can help you get in front of industry people, but that is all changing too. I did a search to see if I was the only one who feels this way and here is a good article:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/will-youtube-make-
festivals-obsolete-for-indies.php

People take their validation where they want... Does the opinion of some people you don't know at a random festival hold more value than the opinions of artists you like here on NG? Joe2k worked on movies like Tangled and Rise of the Guardians, then just yesterday he favorited spacefader here on NG. I've heard tons of stories from people who got jobs where the interviewer was amped to see a reference to Newgrounds on their resume. NG might feel like a secret but the public is way more familiar with NG than just about any festival outside of Sundance.

I always thought the festival circuit would become obsolete with the rise of youtube and the like as well but after attending quite a few festivals recently its a great place to network and meet other animators and film makers, particularly those who have been around a long time and have a lot of experience. Also getting your film into festivals ads a level of prestige to your work and opens up a lot of career paths that I dont think just throwing your work up online can. That said, the festival circuit usually lasts 2 years and then the work ends up online anyway.

At 7/9/13 06:00 PM, DarqV wrote:

At 7/9/13 04:55 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 7/9/13 04:05 PM, VicariousE wrote:

At 7/9/13 05:20 AM, Gerkinman wrote: Bliss is maybe one of the best things I have seen on the site in years, I almost feel bad seeing it here, if anything it belongs in the festival circuit.

Hopefully it will. It takes all of us here to point the artists in the right direction. Your experience with Newgrounds and other sites can be an invaluable asset, to artists who just keep their heads down, and does what he or she does best.

I might be totally crazy but I've always felt that festivals lost a lot of relevancy the moment the web came about. Before the web, a festival was how you got your stuff shown to an audience... But the audience is tiny compared to the web. Yes it's good for prestige and yes it can help you get in front of industry people, but that is all changing too. I did a search to see if I was the only one who feels this way and here is a good article:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/opinions/will-youtube-make-
festivals-obsolete-for-indies.php

People take their validation where they want... Does the opinion of some people you don't know at a random festival hold more value than the opinions of artists you like here on NG? Joe2k worked on movies like Tangled and Rise of the Guardians, then just yesterday he favorited spacefader here on NG. I've heard tons of stories from people who got jobs where the interviewer was amped to see a reference to Newgrounds on their resume. NG might feel like a secret but the public is way more familiar with NG than just about any festival outside of Sundance.

I've worked at Titmouse for over 4 years now, on shows like Metalocalypse, Superjail, Motorcity, China, Il, Black Dynamite etc. etc. etc. (name dropping is douchey, but I've got a point to make)

And let me tell you, having your stuff do well on Newgrounds is JUST as valid as having worked on another show or having a master's degree. It makes a difference when we're looking for new hires, because your animation skills are one thing, but your sense of comedic timing and appeal are another, and Newgrounds is a PROVING grounds for that element.

I guess as someone who works as a freelancer as opposed to working in the studio system I haven't found that. Not that I havent learnt a lot making content for Newgrounds over the years, but it is also a name that scares of a lot of potential employers in my experience. I know Titmouse is different because a lof of the animators there started out here, but when your dealing with big companies like Google, saying you have animations on Newgrounds is like saying you work in Pornography. I also think there is a difference between making content for Newgrounds and just showcasing your work on Newgrounds. If your making content for Newgrounds there are a number of set formulas that will almost always guarantee you success. If you just want to make your own thing and see how it goes then it could go either way, regardless of quality. Content is king I suppose and Newgrounds user base generally has a really close minded view of what they want to see. Its also worth noting that not everyone wants to animate comedy.

At 7/9/13 07:53 PM, Gerkinman wrote: And thats what counts right? Its all about the hits because those ads are where newgrounds gets its money.

Not nearly enough money. That's why Tom started the supporter upgrade campaign (which you should donate to; it's only $25). I have a few gripes with the way Newgrounds is run/operated, but as a whole I love the place which is why I donated and why you should too. :)

At 7/9/13 07:53 PM, Gerkinman wrote: Maybe you had offers in the past for newgrounds from investors that you turned down for creative control reasons, or maybe nobody has even wanted the content on newgrounds enough to want to invest, I dont know.

Just for the record, Newgrounds has gotten multiple offers for investments, to the point that Tom had to make this big newspost and ask users whether they thought he should take the money or stay independent

And I think that's why Tom gets a bit disgruntled when people compared Newgrounds' business practices to sites like Youtube or Vimeo, who have millions of dollars to throw away without any worries.

At 7/9/13 12:56 AM, Diki wrote:

At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: To be fair, it's a big ass selection to vote on :| People vote on what they know.

Well that right there is a huge problem. How can the best be voted for if people won't even bother to watch all of or at least the majority of the submissions before voting?

More than anything I'm bothered by the fact that Raw Latex was awarded the best of June when, in my opinion, it shouldn't have even been in the top 10. Clockwork Gentlemen, Court-Circuit, and Menu, which were the three bottom-ranked submissions, were all unique submissions that had an engaging art style (and didn't have stupid fart and dick jokes) which both made them stand out amongst their peers, which is something we were supposed to be looking for when voting but that clearly didn't happen (half of the winning submissions aren't even original works, two of which are in the top 5).

At 7/9/13 12:27 AM, VicariousE wrote: Maybe everyone with an account should do the monthly voting, then the selected pool can vote on the run-off selections.

My understanding is that that is basically how it works right now. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but the submissions that we voted on for the best of June were all of the daily best and front page movies/games, so we were, in essence, picking the "best of the best".

I couldn't agree more with you.
Also the Flixel tutorial is not in the top_20? A game about making games?
You didn't even have to play through it to AT LEAST place it in your top 10!
I'm just glad 3LIND and The Last Door were recognised.
Also although i didn't vote for Fear Less! i have to mention it was top quality work and i'm really glad for it's developers.