NG is why I do animations and that is why I respect Tom and the entire team.
Keep growing my friend.

Why don't we all make one big video telling YouTube to make the playing field fair! Post it everywhere! Cause an uproar! Fight back dammit!

We shouln't give up so easily..

I love both and I'll post on both.

At 8/3/14 02:22 PM, Hizu wrote: My tactic is to just post my shit everywhere. =|

Me too!

At 8/3/14 02:53 PM, Cronizone wrote: You speak a mighty truth but at the same time this is a waste of a forum post. Though I agree that animators should come to Newgrounds and start producing stuff that is more noticed here than there (YouTube), I read this on Newgrounds. Not YouTube.

You need to advertise it to the people that don't know Newgrounds, primarily Animators. Not advertise it on the website Animators that you think should migrate onto, already know about Newgrounds.

In a nutshell, a great forum post that allows people to know about your care for animators, but a horrid way of telling them.

This is something that should be up to the whole community. Get everyone to spread the word about Newgrounds. So Tom giving all his users this information shouldn't be considered a horrid way of telling people.

You tell 'em, Tom.

I started visiting Newgrounds in 2000 AD and never stopped visiting NG for top quality flash games and animations. I will admit that NG was in a lull for a few years after Youtube became the go to source for videos, but as you admit, you learned a lesson and starting evolving the NG infrastructure. I wish the NG good luck in maintaining its internet relevance for the types of content it hosts.

Honestly I feel like Newgrounds should still be the one to make the most of it all. Help introduce artist to all means of publicity. Help them on all platforms that they share content, and have Newgrounds be the middle ground for them all. Start a YouTube network, drive social media (For the love of god don't pay for Facebook advertisements EVER), and best of all use this to improve what Newgrounds does and provides.

Well I hope we can all work shit out in the end. Good luck Newgrounds and animators!

At 8/3/14 02:46 PM, Gi-go wrote: As a film maker, I wish that the NG team or people similar to you guys could make an NG type site based around original films.

YT's layout is a fucking mess and trying to sift through all of the garbage there is impossible. I would absolutely love a video site with a proper portal that featured quality content on the front page, as well as awards for the best content.

Perhaps a live action portal? If that happens, I want vlogs to be a banned offense.

i was never one of those who decided to leave Newgrounds for Youtube, i allways sticked with both since i started back in 2009.
of course i have more videos there but those are like my "fusion project" stuff wich i KNOW will be destroyed with negative rating here so yeah...

I for one publish here on Newgrounds first before youtube.

I love Newgrounds. You have a lot to be proud of. And I'll keep returning whenever I have something that I'm proud of as well.
I think it's easy to get a bit lost on the Internet these days, because you have the potential of make a living off of it if you're lucky. But it was never really about the money to begin with, was it? Because if it was there would certainly be easier ways to go than being an Internet animator.

When I see these animators protesting about lost space for vloggers and "let's play" channels, the first thing who I thought was, why they don't boycott YouTube? prioritizing websites like Newgrounds?
Animations have more views on YouTube because animator promote only the link to the video on YouTube.

If animators start to give more attention to Newgrounds who prioritize independent animation and cares more to the quality of content, promoting links to their content on Newgrounds, instead of YouTube, giving YouTube a secondary priority, Newgrounds will regain the popularity as a animators community (making advertisers look at Newgrounds), forcing YouTube to place more value on animators.

or YouTube don't would give a shit, who knows?

I really never understood why some animators upload all they content on YouTube and only a part on Newgrounds.

F**** youtube.
Newgrounds FTW. While newgrounds cannot be a complete replacement for youtube, partly because youtube is part trash and part culturally different, newgrounds should do its best drawing animators out and away from trashtube.

I exclusivly post the music I write to Newgrounds, it's the only site you can find it on unless someone took it and re-uploaded somewhere else (or used in a video and credited). However I just don't get a lot of views and I get like 1 review every 3 songs. If I don't get reviews telling me what I should improve on I won't (and currently don't) know how to go on without just making the same crap over and over. Because of all of this, I have considered moving to Youtube or stuff like Soundcloud but NG is still the easiest place to upload. The big problem is starting something up from scratch on NG cause you get no damn views, unless you already have a big following, you won't get any more than 50-100 views on latest creation.

It's just my view on it, yours might be completely different but that's my experience so far and I'm strongly considering going somewhere else.

Newgrounds is fantastic, and I wish there were more people here to watch internet cartoons.

When I posted my Old Earth flash on Youtube, the only support I got was from my friends and family when I incessantly showed them. I feel like a loser when I have to do that.

Here, there's some viewership required, and an audience of people who want to watch cartoons. The best thing you can do for an artist (besides a comprehensive critique, but most people don't have the know-how) is to let them know they're working for a reason, because sometimes I'll be working, and think that I'm going to be the only one who enjoys the final product. That is the absolute worst.

Youtube is just barren when it comes to animation, and it makes me really sad that this time consuming media is being received so impatiently by a community that expects videos on a daily basis.

That being said, there are a couple of issues that come with NG. The "reviews", especially on popular submissions, are often abysmal. Most of them mistake the "helpful" button for a "like", and they're just blindly competing for them. There's also the fact that a good majority of the content posted here these days are just cheap parodies. Remember when Flappy Bird was big? I don't want to either. I like to see what other people create on their own and how they think, so it does my head in every time I see a flash about another fucking Pokemon battle.

I really hope this site gets more recognition and original content. I see in this site the potential to be a springboard for the greatest visual media of our time, and I'll sing its praises to every animation/art fan I know until it happens... again.

Personally, I have been around here since, like, 2002...
Maan it feels nostalgic, now that I've just remembered what it was back then, when you could "physically" play each and every single game on the site in one day. The main thing i regret about this place is that I haven't signed up myself and started making content sooner. Somehow, it took me years to come accross that...

But that's a different story.

The thing is, I ain't leaving NG. Maybe, just maybe, as soon as I reach 50 fans or something, I might probably make a new and proper account on YT and post some stuff there, but the main focus shall stay on NG.

I always thought of NG as some sort of a particle of the future (Hence the NG's former slogan), as well as some kind of a content creators' net fortress. :D

True.

I hope Newgrounds reaches a renaissance era, animators may have their pockets on youtube, but they have their heart on Newgrounds, as soon as youtube fucks up for good, they will all come here, and that seems very likely seeing how youtube is run by monkeys.

As you can see, even my signature has a link to my YouTube.
However, I'm not an animator. It's always interested in me, and I figure maybe one day I'll get off my ass and really give flash a run for it's money, but newgrounds is still a great community and I enjoy it here. I enjoy the people, even though I'm fairly new aside from when I used it to mostly sneak on when my parents were asleep to squeeze one out when I was 12 or 13.

At 8/3/14 02:19 PM, JoSilver wrote: If there's one thing I wish is that adult content received more support, I can understand the reasons for not eligible for ad revenue but that in no way makes it less frustrating. I make more ad revenue from posting to the front page (like a penny) then the nothing I'll ever see from most of work. It's really annoying when I spend a few days on a small little game shooting game and it generates a nice chunk of ad revenue but will never see a penny on an adult game I made that I spent like 3-4 months working on.

Hopefully @Tomfulp will weigh in on this; he's going to migrate all the adult content over to another site, so both Newgrounds and the new adult site, can make more money!

It's not worth doing but I like doing it, unless you have your own website like Shadman or take commissions there no way to make money from it. But note I'm speaking in general on this point, no site other then Newgrounds that allows adult content has revenue sharing.

If the adult content is sectioned off (on another server and name), then more adult sponsors can come in.
If Newgrounds sheds the adult matter, more mainstream sponsors can come in.

However if there's one thing that Newgrounds does provide for adult content is views, there is no site other then Newgrounds where I see even nearly as many views.

I'm just hoping a single log on to NG will suffice for both sites, kinda like when YT requires a G+ account.... (NG Passport?)

too bad views don't matter on YouTube, AMIRITE!

I wouldn't know, I never made a YT account, and only had FB for a year, before I felt the Pan-Opticon growing strength....

At 8/3/14 02:43 PM, ZenithQuinn wrote: Here's a crazy idea... for content on newgrounds why not set up some sore of virtual tipjar option where users can tip a dollar or some bitcoin or whatever to a user who creates a great piece of content. With a small percentage going to NG, and the rest going to the creator.

Yeah, I think this is a pretty sweet idea!

All I really want is a downloadable section of Newgrounds were people can download full version fancy games. YouTubers will get the good ones, direct their juicy slaves to here, be like "hey! This is cool!" and stay for a while. Plus it would open up NG to a whole new audience of content creators and such. But what do I know? It'd probably be a pain in the ass to work everything out

Meh, I suppose that doesn't really fit in to the topic, so to fit in:

Newgrounds has something YouTube will never earn, a legitimate community that cares about the direction the site's headed. Many people on YouTube's top priority is there subscribers, views, and how much cash they're making. Most of the time.

Man. All this positive attitude is bringing tears to my eyes. I remember that not even a year ago, everyone on the forums was scared about Newgrounds dying. Everyone making threads "Is Newgrounds dead?".
And now this.

Pretty cool.

At 8/3/14 02:43 PM, ZenithQuinn wrote:

Also Tom, now would be a great time to do an AMA on reddit! ;)

I really like this idea. I know that Tom (@TomFulp) did one back in 2009, but enough time has past to probably justify doing another one. It could probably really help spread the word around.

As far as the Youtube thing goes, I'm certain that NG can step up and take it on by offering things that YT can't such as a robust community with a more personal touch from the staff, but I'm also wondering if the future of animation is going to be based more on concentrated groups on their own websites as opposed to big websites like Youtube or NG with their "portals" of content by tons of people.

The reason I ask is because psychicpebble brought this idea up in a recent Tweet and I find it fascinating because he just launched SleepyCabin.com with Stamper, RicePirate, Spazkid, and Oney. This makes me curious if the problem might stem from people wanting to focus more on their favorite established artists as opposed to being there to watch everything. As nice as it would be to think that all the people here want to watch Lil' Johnny the 13 year old's flash cartoon and tell him how to improve, the reality is that most of them probably just want to come in, watch the new cartoon by their favorite animator like Egoraptor or JohnnyUtah, and then leave.

I DUNNO. I FEEL LIKE I'M RAMBLING, BUT MAYBE I'M ONTO SOMETHING?!?!

I honestly still hold that the redesign is what broke Newgrounds, it effectively killed the judgement system. I'd love to see data to counter this, though.

When exactly was our peak, and was it really a slow decline?

I also think there's a lack of, and you mentioned it, 'big' flash projects. No more Bitey, There She Is, Xiao Xiao, I remember when EVERYONE was playing the Madness Combat game. It was so cool, ragdolls, woo! There was nothing else like it.

Well now there is.

I think Newgrounds should think about accepting steam, not trying to counter it. I think there's a lot of money to be had if Newgrounds tried sponsoring Steam Game Developers, maybe some investments? I know a lot of amazingly talented animators and coders who can't afford to pay themselves/the other guy, for example, it took me a very long time to find someone who's in it for the long haul and would work for free until we get money. I think the sponsorships with the 'featured' content was a good move, and I really wish you would have kept that up, but moreso tried sponsoring BEFORE the game was complete. If a developer can show you a talented game with a talented engine, some good animations, it might be in your best interest to fund them. Maybe even sponsor them up until they can make a Kickstarter bid, then get the money back after they're done OR continue with them. A logo at the beginning of a Steam Game, many Steam Games, can do you wonders.

This is not scratching my back, here, I don't need any money anymore. I DO want Newgrounds to be successful, though, and I see it as a springboard site. In the past it was good enough to provide a portal, but now it's time to cut out the talent, make some deals, and if done right, it'll definitely come back to you.

In terms of views, Newgrounds gives you a bigger audience. While an animation I can upload would give me at least a few thousand, then I upload the same animation on youtube, you'll be lucky if you get at least.....under 100 maybe? This is without plugging the animation link or promoting it in any way.

Haha I'm still yet to get a cheque for any of my efforts online, but it was never about that especially here on NG <3
I think the larger problem stems from the saturated content being produced these days, and the lack of ground breaking entertainment, but i still see it seeping in here and there so be original, and do what u really wanna do as an artist - is the best advice i can give on the topic. I know for me right now I rely on studio jobs/animation contracts for my livelihood, at least right now anyways, The stuff I do on the side is usually purely for entertainment/ good practice, and if it makes me some ad revenue on the side - hey that's great, and if not.. no worries!

New grounds is way better than youtube. My work gets much better views and its a far more specific audience rather than being sandwiched into a sea of cat videos. Also newgrounds has the feel of a local store where youtube feels like a fucking multistory shopping complex of shit. Anyway I didn't know about this site until a few years ago but it definitely deserves more respect. I guess the only reason put stuff on youtube is because I knew about it previously and I get the odd opportunity through it(mostly people finding out how expensive it will be for me to make them an animation ho ho).

Very well put, Tom. It's funny how people excluesivly post their cartoons on YouTube and ditch Newgrounds, even though NG is the site that got them on their feet in the first place and there is literally NO downside to posting something here AS WELL as YouTube. Another thing they say is that "Newgrounds is dying, there's no point in posting there", even though THEY are the reason that the site does not have as many viewers as it used to, because THEY DON'T POST THERE.

I'm very thankful for this site and as long as it's up, I will always be posting here, for whatever that is worth.