Does it work? I get a hell of a lot more views on Newgrounds than TikTok and I am wondering if it is me or the platform.
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At 4/2/22 10:53 PM, ZebraHumor wrote:Does it work? I get a hell of a lot more views on Newgrounds than TikTok and I am wondering if it is me or the platform.
Its because of the way videos are handled on newgrounds and tik tok. Tik tok requires tags and a random generator to go into someone's for you page. Newgrounds has the portal where everyone is looking at videos every second and waiting for new ones to pop up and rate, It has nothing to do if its for you. Its just a platform with algorithim and one that doesnt.
Keep in mind there was a recent update to tiktok that basically pit the algorithm against artists and animators so-
At 4/2/22 10:53 PM, ZebraHumor wrote:Does it work? I get a hell of a lot more views on Newgrounds than TikTok and I am wondering if it is me or the platform.
I think that something that distinguishes Tiktok from other media even Youtube is that most of the videos are quick and frequent, a person can make 3 tiktoks in a day while the simpliest of animations may take a liiitle bit longer, you may try animations on tiktok but I tried myself and it took me longer to make the animation and upload it
Thing with platforms like TikTok, Youtube, Instagram is that they start of working well and when they gain a lot of popularity ( or are bought by big techs like google etc.. ) they start messing about with the algorithm and make it harder for your videos to be seen by others.
Newgrounds however have kept it simple since the beginning and it's why it still works
At 4/10/22 06:37 PM, Bjulko wrote:At 4/2/22 10:53 PM, ZebraHumor wrote:Does it work? I get a hell of a lot more views on Newgrounds than TikTok and I am wondering if it is me or the platform.
I think that something that distinguishes Tiktok from other media even Youtube is that most of the videos are quick and frequent, a person can make 3 tiktoks in a day while the simpliest of animations may take a liiitle bit longer, you may try animations on tiktok but I tried myself and it took me longer to make the animation and upload it
TikTok is on my plans to promote my work. I make very long animations (like 51 minutes). I would take some parts of that long animation and put there (like, 10, 20 or 30 seconds of a scene, maybe 1 minute). Why I must put the whole work on it instead of some smaller pieces?
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I hate when platforms do that... instagram did that a while back too.
zebra...I feel like you arent aware of exactly how....niche the stuff you make is
what exactly do you think about your work is going to resonate with tiktok people...have ya looked at what people are doing on tiktok?
At 7/26/22 09:09 PM, Template88 wrote:zebra...I feel like you arent aware of exactly how....niche the stuff you make is
what exactly do you think about your work is going to resonate with tiktok people...have ya looked at what people are doing on tiktok?
Not zebra jokes. Thank God I am there to do so
I don't use tiktok but just by the looks of it from the outside it seems like a terribly artist-unfriendly platform. The userbase does not go to tik tok for animation and tik tok does not want to promote it, it seems.
Add to that that NG seems one of the most artist-friendly sites possible, mainly populated by artists and consumers of art, and with relatively few users so latest posts stay visible for longer.
It’s not you tik tok’s hashtags are used to help its algorithm categorize content.
At 8/3/22 09:45 PM, Und34d-c0m1cs wrote:It’s not you tik tok’s hashtags are used to help its algorithm categorize content.
I uploaded my "Surfer Zebra" video when #SummerVibes was trending and it got 800 views. The hashtags for "Zebra and Blonde in a Bathtub" were wild and it got 1500 views. I am definitely doing better.
Newgrounds will always be my number 1.
At 7/31/22 05:16 PM, GoofballPaul wrote:I don't use tiktok but just by the looks of it from the outside it seems like a terribly artist-unfriendly platform. The userbase does not go to tik tok for animation and tik tok does not want to promote it, it seems.
Add to that that NG seems one of the most artist-friendly sites possible, mainly populated by artists and consumers of art, and with relatively few users so latest posts stay visible for longer.
Newg
At 8/5/22 07:53 PM, ZebraHumor wrote:At 7/31/22 05:16 PM, GoofballPaul wrote:I don't use tiktok but just by the looks of it from the outside it seems like a terribly artist-unfriendly platform. The userbase does not go to tik tok for animation and tik tok does not want to promote it, it seems.
Add to that that NG seems one of the most artist-friendly sites possible, mainly populated by artists and consumers of art, and with relatively few users so latest posts stay visible for longer.
Newgrounds is the best
At 8/5/22 07:53 PM, ZebraHumor wrote:At 7/31/22 05:16 PM, GoofballPaul wrote:I don't use tiktok but just by the looks of it from the outside it seems like a terribly artist-unfriendly platform. The userbase does not go to tik tok for animation and tik tok does not want to promote it, it seems.
Add to that that NG seems one of the most artist-friendly sites possible, mainly populated by artists and consumers of art, and with relatively few users so latest posts stay visible for longer.
Newgrounds is the best
From what I've seen and heard of Tiktok (me being a non-user) TikTok's algorithm is just a lottery that sometimes decides to draw the attention of thousands of users to posts that came out at the right time with the right tags and for the right trend. Animations that don't match a currently popular trend basically have no chances whatsoever. Even if they do follow the trend, it's a complete gamble if they'll be favoured or not. The algorythm is chaotic and whimsical.
Personally, I’ve had better luck finding animations in general in TikTok-esque YouTube Shorts. My sister has described it to me as basically a spiritual successor to Vine, and as much as I fondly remember Vine myself, both that and probably TikTok seem to be made specifically for effortless live-action videos filmed from a phone camera (usually the selfie cam).
It definitely takes getting used to after years of more mainstream sites encouraging quantity over quality, but Newgrounds is different in that it doesn’t rely on an algorithm and it is small enough that it doesn’t need to. Recent reviews on my own stuff here actually suggest I should spend MORE time in between projects and post less if I want to make more polished stuff that gets higher reviews, which is probably blasphemy for more corporate sites that reward constant posting of “content.” I’ve also gotten more of that dopamine rush of likes, follows and comments on smaller (and oftentimes short-lived) sites in general.
As someone who wants to do art for a living, I’m just beginning to doubt the wisdom of college professors who insisted I sign up for every flash-in-the-pan social media website in an attempt to promote myself, especially now that people are figuring out that algorithms actively hide or bury stuff that takes too long to make (animation, basically) while granting all sorts of exceptions for already-famous and successful people. I mean, to succeed in actually getting a job in Hollywood, you apparently have to make the kind of highly-polished 3D art where you spend at least 6 months of your life just designing a background prop for your portfolio—to succeed in social media, on the other hand, you have to somehow make okay-looking stuff so quickly that you can post multiple times a day for months on end. That’s why Chris O’Neil went from doing animations to just doing video game Let’s Plays (although he’s also quietly working on a game and contributing to Smiling Friends, tbf), for example.
Hollywood no doubt has its problems, but if I had to choose between working an actual salaried job where I could join a union in Los Angeles, and constantly burning myself out trying to make money off a social media website that keeps changing the algorithm against me and planning to replace both its content creators and its consumers with AI, anyway (cough ArtStation), I would choose the former.
At 5/14/22 06:51 PM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:TikTok is on my plans to promote my work. I make very long animations (like 51 minutes). I would take some parts of that long animation and put there (like, 10, 20 or 30 seconds of a scene, maybe 1 minute). Why I must put the whole work on it instead of some smaller pieces?
My director of the large animation project I’m wrapping up work on actually plans on doing that, posting clips on TikTok and YouTube Shorts as sort of quick “demos” that make people think “Hey! That 30-second clip was funny! Maybe the whole 8-minute animation will be funny, too!”
We’ll see how that goes, but I know in my personal experience, I have discovered modern cartoons, Netflix shows and anime I never would have checked out otherwise simple by watching quick YouTube clips first. For gaming, I feel like ALL games should have free demos to try out, first, especially on platforms like PC and the Nintendo Switch where games are not guaranteed to run well or at all on weaker hardware.
At 4/5/22 04:39 PM, Lolofyr wrote:Keep in mind there was a recent update to tiktok that basically pit the algorithm against artists and animators so-
Just like YouTube back in 2012. I would be mad if that stuff still surprised me and I didn’t have Newgrounds as an alternative.
It is especially weird that ArtStation has done the same, though. I can understand why more general social media sites would cast out artists like it was a high school and all these jocks and skinny cheerleaders get the world (temporarily) handed to them on a silver platter instead, but ArtStation existed solely as a classy, professional portfolio site that companies like Disney and Ubisoft would find all their future employees on.
Now that they have taken “quantity over quality” to the extreme by letting the site be flooded by AI art and shadowbanning industry veterans who dared to fight back with anti-AI protest art, what even is the point of ArtStation anymore? Do they expect the consumers and recruiters on that site to be replaced by AI, too, so that the site is just bots liking algorithm-generated pieces with piss-poor anatomy? Is this just a flex saying Epic-owned ArtStation gets so much “Fortnite money” now that they can afford to lose all Premium and Pro subscribers and alienate large mainstream companies (except trend-chasing Ubisoft, naturally) by making the same exact mistakes as DeviantArt did?
At least YouTube and TikTok has some funny and/or cringe live-action stuff so we can still enjoy those sites as consumers (as opposed to content creators).
At 1/2/23 11:27 AM, jthrash wrote:At 5/14/22 06:51 PM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:TikTok is on my plans to promote my work. I make very long animations (like 51 minutes). I would take some parts of that long animation and put there (like, 10, 20 or 30 seconds of a scene, maybe 1 minute). Why I must put the whole work on it instead of some smaller pieces?
My director of the large animation project I’m wrapping up work on actually plans on doing that, posting clips on TikTok and YouTube Shorts as sort of quick “demos” that make people think “Hey! That 30-second clip was funny! Maybe the whole 8-minute animation will be funny, too!”
We’ll see how that goes, but I know in my personal experience, I have discovered modern cartoons, Netflix shows and anime I never would have checked out otherwise simple by watching quick YouTube clips first. For gaming, I feel like ALL games should have free demos to try out, first, especially on platforms like PC and the Nintendo Switch where games are not guaranteed to run well or at all on weaker hardware.
As the day passes by i get more and more convinced that the "advertising is everything", i'm almost sure that the propaganda actually is more important than the product itself. As the Tik Tok strategy in particular i tried, managed to get 11.000 views on a video but only knew about one guy who did sub to my channel cuz of seeing my stuff on tik tok. I have had better results with other promotion strategies, one include making a stupid meme and posting on facebook groups, on 3 days i managed to get about 15 subs with that.
I'm now going to try the youtube shorts strategy, some of other small youtubers friends i know have been getting some views with the youtube shorts
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i think unless your like Nutshell Animations or those other TikTok animators, you don’t really have a chance there
Crazy? I was crazy once.
At 1/2/23 11:55 AM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:At 1/2/23 11:27 AM, jthrash wrote:At 5/14/22 06:51 PM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:TikTok is on my plans to promote my work. I make very long animations (like 51 minutes). I would take some parts of that long animation and put there (like, 10, 20 or 30 seconds of a scene, maybe 1 minute). Why I must put the whole work on it instead of some smaller pieces?
My director of the large animation project I’m wrapping up work on actually plans on doing that, posting clips on TikTok and YouTube Shorts as sort of quick “demos” that make people think “Hey! That 30-second clip was funny! Maybe the whole 8-minute animation will be funny, too!”
We’ll see how that goes, but I know in my personal experience, I have discovered modern cartoons, Netflix shows and anime I never would have checked out otherwise simple by watching quick YouTube clips first. For gaming, I feel like ALL games should have free demos to try out, first, especially on platforms like PC and the Nintendo Switch where games are not guaranteed to run well or at all on weaker hardware.
As the day passes by i get more and more convinced that the "advertising is everything", i'm almost sure that the propaganda actually is more important than the product itself. As the Tik Tok strategy in particular i tried, managed to get 11.000 views on a video but only knew about one guy who did sub to my channel cuz of seeing my stuff on tik tok. I have had better results with other promotion strategies, one include making a stupid meme and posting on facebook groups, on 3 days i managed to get about 15 subs with that.
I'm now going to try the youtube shorts strategy, some of other small youtubers friends i know have been getting some views with the youtube shorts
YouTube Shorts does seem to be a bit more animation-friendly than TikTok. Coincidentally, I plan on using YouTube Shorts to make extremely quick and dumb experimental cartoons that would get ripped to shreds on Newgrounds’ Movie Portal for being too short and low-effort.
And yes, advertising is everything in animation. There’s nothing more crushing than working for years on an idea only for no one to see it because you decided to have too much “artistic integrity” to advertise on platforms you otherwise think are destroying the world. I hope to eventually work at a large-enough studio where I can just focus on animating all day while the marketing department focuses on promoting my stuff all day, but until then I’ve got to shill for myself.
Disney’s Encanto definitely benefitted in 2021 from posting clips of “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” and turning that into a big meme—meanwhile, Disney’s Strange World mainly failed because nobody is even fully convinced that the movie exists at all, even now. Even seemingly-infallible “multinational corporations” like Disney live and die by how well they advertise their stuff.
At 1/2/23 12:20 PM, jthrash wrote:At 1/2/23 11:55 AM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:At 1/2/23 11:27 AM, jthrash wrote:At 5/14/22 06:51 PM, TheMiamiDeSantos wrote:TikTok is on my plans to promote my work. I make very long animations (like 51 minutes). I would take some parts of that long animation and put there (like, 10, 20 or 30 seconds of a scene, maybe 1 minute). Why I must put the whole work on it instead of some smaller pieces?
My director of the large animation project I’m wrapping up work on actually plans on doing that, posting clips on TikTok and YouTube Shorts as sort of quick “demos” that make people think “Hey! That 30-second clip was funny! Maybe the whole 8-minute animation will be funny, too!”
We’ll see how that goes, but I know in my personal experience, I have discovered modern cartoons, Netflix shows and anime I never would have checked out otherwise simple by watching quick YouTube clips first. For gaming, I feel like ALL games should have free demos to try out, first, especially on platforms like PC and the Nintendo Switch where games are not guaranteed to run well or at all on weaker hardware.
As the day passes by i get more and more convinced that the "advertising is everything", i'm almost sure that the propaganda actually is more important than the product itself. As the Tik Tok strategy in particular i tried, managed to get 11.000 views on a video but only knew about one guy who did sub to my channel cuz of seeing my stuff on tik tok. I have had better results with other promotion strategies, one include making a stupid meme and posting on facebook groups, on 3 days i managed to get about 15 subs with that.
I'm now going to try the youtube shorts strategy, some of other small youtubers friends i know have been getting some views with the youtube shorts
YouTube Shorts does seem to be a bit more animation-friendly than TikTok. Coincidentally, I plan on using YouTube Shorts to make extremely quick and dumb experimental cartoons that would get ripped to shreds on Newgrounds’ Movie Portal for being too short and low-effort.
And yes, advertising is everything in animation. There’s nothing more crushing than working for years on an idea only for no one to see it because you decided to have too much “artistic integrity” to advertise on platforms you otherwise think are destroying the world. I hope to eventually work at a large-enough studio where I can just focus on animating all day while the marketing department focuses on promoting my stuff all day, but until then I’ve got to shill for myself.
Disney’s Encanto definitely benefitted in 2021 from posting clips of “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” and turning that into a big meme—meanwhile, Disney’s Strange World mainly failed because nobody is even fully convinced that the movie exists at all, even now. Even seemingly-infallible “multinational corporations” like Disney live and die by how well they advertise their stuff.
yeah i'm putting a little more expectation on the youtube shorts since it's closer to youtube rather than tik tok, someone wandering around tik tok videos will want to still be wandering around tik tok videos, someone on youtube watching a shorts video may want to see a full length youtube video. I tried almost everything to promote my cartoon lol, newgrounds ,facebook, instagram, twitter, tik tok, etc. Even made some poster to print and tape here at Santos' light poles but unfortunately that's actually illegal lol
Also love the "multinational corporations" jokes haha
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