What if there was a new art movement where artists start to intentionally draw child-like drawings, like drawings a kid or toddler would draw, as a way to boycott AI-generated art since AI needs art created by humans to produce an image. And this can be a sort of statement of saying that the very concept of art is deep rooted in our blood and drawing stuff that a child would draw is a reminder of how it's so embedded in our nature that we would practice it from the day we begin to think.
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That sounds like it'd need a lot of people to join and a lot of time to pass by for the AI to mainly do toddler like drawings, so I don't think that'd ve very doable.
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At 8/1/23 11:48 PM, TheShokBlok wrote:That sounds like it'd need a lot of people to join and a lot of time to pass by for the AI to mainly do toddler like drawings, so I don't think that'd ve very doable.
This is only a hypothetical scenario, would be interesting if this actually happened and it show how redundant AI art is.
At 8/2/23 03:00 AM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:At 8/1/23 11:48 PM, TheShokBlok wrote:That sounds like it'd need a lot of people to join and a lot of time to pass by for the AI to mainly do toddler like drawings, so I don't think that'd ve very doable.
This is only a hypothetical scenario, would be interesting if this actually happened and it show how redundant AI art is.
Yeah if this actually happened it'd be ready funni.
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At 8/1/23 09:20 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:What if there was a new art movement where artists start to intentionally draw child-like drawings, like drawings a kid or toddler would draw, as a way to boycott AI-generated art since AI needs art created by humans to produce an image. And this can be a sort of statement of saying that the very concept of art is deep rooted in our blood and drawing stuff that a child would draw is a reminder of how it's so embedded in our nature that we would practice it from the day we begin to think.
This is not the worst idea in the world, and some people are already doing that- for example recently in the World of Warcraft Reddit community there was a person who was creating posts with made up, misleading information that confused writing AI on news websites into writing obviously fake news.
The problem with that is that art AI and writing AI have different purposes. Since writing AI is often used for current events such as news and therefore learns from new sources, this kind of protest can work- but art AI doesn't need to be current. It already has billions upon billions of images to learn from, and a few child-like drawings isn't going to make an impact.
I suppose you could create such a movement as a means of raising public awareness, but unfortunately, unless someone pushes for legislation against it, it's here to stay, because it's not really day-to-day people who are using it.
Just use Glaze, it makes AI learn patterns wrong. It is already a thing.
Since AI distorts images it learns from its own outputs, then Glaze technology will re-arrange pixels on image so that, when AI learns it learns random patterns, not data/image you see. It is similar logic how digital artists fooled commercial poster-printers in past.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/
AI people have started to lobby against this claiming it doesn't work, but for something which doesn't work AI-companies are making huge effort to ban this tech already, and it is not even in masses yet however without this you shouldn't be posting digital image.
Call it a Art Glaze Nouveau movement, if want a fancy name for it.
At 8/2/23 06:06 AM, Tenebrare wrote:Just use Glaze, it makes AI learn patterns wrong. It is already a thing.
Since AI distorts images it learns from its own outputs, then Glaze technology will re-arrange pixels on image so that, when AI learns it learns random patterns, not data/image you see. It is similar logic how digital artists fooled commercial poster-printers in past.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/
AI people have started to lobby against this claiming it doesn't work, but for something which doesn't work AI-companies are making huge effort to ban this tech already, and it is not even in masses yet however without this you shouldn't be posting digital image.
Call it a Art Glaze Nouveau movement, if want a fancy name for it.
for some reason that program never worked for me. i'd try to put an image in it and it would just crash
other then that though,the fact that AI companies even dare to try and ban this shows how twisted and disgusting they are,trying to strip artists from their rights not to have their works being used as food for their theft machines
At 8/2/23 06:45 AM, pointlessfield wrote:At 8/2/23 06:06 AM, Tenebrare wrote:Just use Glaze, it makes AI learn patterns wrong. It is already a thing.
Since AI distorts images it learns from its own outputs, then Glaze technology will re-arrange pixels on image so that, when AI learns it learns random patterns, not data/image you see. It is similar logic how digital artists fooled commercial poster-printers in past.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/
AI people have started to lobby against this claiming it doesn't work, but for something which doesn't work AI-companies are making huge effort to ban this tech already, and it is not even in masses yet however without this you shouldn't be posting digital image.
Call it a Art Glaze Nouveau movement, if want a fancy name for it.
for some reason that program never worked for me. i'd try to put an image in it and it would just crash
other then that though,the fact that AI companies even dare to try and ban this shows how twisted and disgusting they are,trying to strip artists from their rights not to have their works being used as food for their theft machines
You can apply to Glaze account and use the web version of it. Local Glaze unfortunately works on Nvidia cards as is now, but if you look at twitter, you get list of people, who can give invites to web version. You can also send DM via Twitter(or X, or however should we call it now?) to them or contact them as is, if cannot send DMs.
At 8/2/23 06:06 AM, Tenebrare wrote:Just use Glaze, it makes AI learn patterns wrong. It is already a thing.
Since AI distorts images it learns from its own outputs, then Glaze technology will re-arrange pixels on image so that, when AI learns it learns random patterns, not data/image you see. It is similar logic how digital artists fooled commercial poster-printers in past.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/
AI people have started to lobby against this claiming it doesn't work, but for something which doesn't work AI-companies are making huge effort to ban this tech already, and it is not even in masses yet however without this you shouldn't be posting digital image.
Call it a Art Glaze Nouveau movement, if want a fancy name for it.
This is literally the first time I heard about this Glaze feature, i've been missing out.
But at the same time, since it's not in mass as you say then it probably means that if this feature blows up, a branch of movements can also appear, either artists using Glaze on mass on every website, or the AI companies attempting to put lawsuits or press major charges on Glaze, which is fucking stupid since the AI companies almost never request the artists for permission or rights to make their generated images.
What I said is not 100% irrefutable truth, it's mainly a hypothesis sooo, don't take this text to heart.
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At 8/2/23 03:09 AM, Flikki wrote:At 8/1/23 09:20 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:What if there was a new art movement where artists start to intentionally draw child-like drawings, like drawings a kid or toddler would draw, as a way to boycott AI-generated art since AI needs art created by humans to produce an image. And this can be a sort of statement of saying that the very concept of art is deep rooted in our blood and drawing stuff that a child would draw is a reminder of how it's so embedded in our nature that we would practice it from the day we begin to think.
This is not the worst idea in the world, and some people are already doing that- for example recently in the World of Warcraft Reddit community there was a person who was creating posts with made up, misleading information that confused writing AI on news websites into writing obviously fake news.
The problem with that is that art AI and writing AI have different purposes. Since writing AI is often used for current events such as news and therefore learns from new sources, this kind of protest can work- but art AI doesn't need to be current. It already has billions upon billions of images to learn from, and a few child-like drawings isn't going to make an impact.
I suppose you could create such a movement as a means of raising public awareness, but unfortunately, unless someone pushes for legislation against it, it's here to stay, because it's not really day-to-day people who are using it.
But it would eventually show how redundant AI art can get, since it will have a lack in new material and there legislation that says that AI art cannot be copyrighted as it uses human-made art
At 8/2/23 09:37 AM, Tenebrare wrote:
You can apply to Glaze account and use the web version of it. Local Glaze unfortunately works on Nvidia cards as is now, but if you look at twitter, you get list of people, who can give invites to web version. You can also send DM via Twitter(or X, or however should we call it now?) to them or contact them as is, if cannot send DMs.
didn't know they have a web version,should probably check that one out. hopefully it would prevent me from making an account on twitt...i mean X ORIGINAL SOCIAL MEDIA BY ELON MUSK
At 8/2/23 11:12 AM, BroSkullEmoji wrote:
This is literally the first time I heard about this Glaze feature, i've been missing out.
But at the same time, since it's not in mass as you say then it probably means that if this feature blows up, a branch of movements can also appear, either artists using Glaze on mass on every website, or the AI companies attempting to put lawsuits or press major charges on Glaze, which is fucking stupid since the AI companies almost never request the artists for permission or rights to make their generated images.
What I said is not 100% irrefutable truth, it's mainly a hypothesis sooo, don't take this text to heart.
as much as i'd LOVE to see what would AI companies base their claims for a lawsuit on against it, it's like a robber trying to sue the guy who he broke into his house for having surveillance cameras filming him stealing his TV (though i remember a case of something like that actually happening,so it is a bit concerning)
At 8/2/23 11:12 AM, BroSkullEmoji wrote:At 8/2/23 06:06 AM, Tenebrare wrote:Just use Glaze, it makes AI learn patterns wrong. It is already a thing.
Since AI distorts images it learns from its own outputs, then Glaze technology will re-arrange pixels on image so that, when AI learns it learns random patterns, not data/image you see. It is similar logic how digital artists fooled commercial poster-printers in past.
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/
AI people have started to lobby against this claiming it doesn't work, but for something which doesn't work AI-companies are making huge effort to ban this tech already, and it is not even in masses yet however without this you shouldn't be posting digital image.
Call it a Art Glaze Nouveau movement, if want a fancy name for it.
This is literally the first time I heard about this Glaze feature, i've been missing out.
But at the same time, since it's not in mass as you say then it probably means that if this feature blows up, a branch of movements can also appear, either artists using Glaze on mass on every website, or the AI companies attempting to put lawsuits or press major charges on Glaze, which is fucking stupid since the AI companies almost never request the artists for permission or rights to make their generated images.
What I said is not 100% irrefutable truth, it's mainly a hypothesis sooo, don't take this text to heart.
It has millions of downloads - in this sense it is known in art-circles. However the basis AI people want to ban it is that AI companies are afraid of any tech that uses AI-aversion and have been afraid of this for very long time. They lobby that any tech that is capable to mess with AI-learning is dangerous. But likely-hood is that more aggressive AI becomes, more aversion tech we are going to see. For example there already exists 'evil' dark web version of ChatGPT same way there are tech that hinders facial and social credit systems.
In universe there is always balance - you create something, then likely anti-something is also created.
I personally just carry on doodling even when machine probably does it better by now - it is what keeps me sane :)
Like reductionism? Calarts kinda does that and it's the worst thing. Like, there's going to be an outlet for that kind of expression, but what progress is there when shapes increasingly diminish while representing complex subjects? Wouldn't that reduce the qualities of characters? Businesses and advertisements have been using child drawings to propagandize their messages like they're for kids, like adults should already have agreed with the concepts being pushed. It's kinda painful to tolerate.
At 8/1/23 09:20 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:What if there was a new art movement where artists start to intentionally draw child-like drawings, like drawings a kid or toddler would draw, as a way to boycott AI-generated art since AI needs art created by humans to produce an image. And this can be a sort of statement of saying that the very concept of art is deep rooted in our blood and drawing stuff that a child would draw is a reminder of how it's so embedded in our nature that we would practice it from the day we begin to think.
I like the idea, and even if we stop drawing stuff, AI has huge data base of older drawings that the AI can simply just pick from. The most straight forward way to combat copyright infringement of AI-Art providers is to sue then with good evidence that they have stolen your art for their commercial use.
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There should be AI regulations. AIs should not be allowed to take anyones art and the creators of those AIs should make the art themself to train the AI
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it's got a good meaning, and a wonderful reason, but it would be severely complicated, in ways I dunno how to put in.
this could takes decades to add effect, and there's gonna be a poor sap that wants to show his talent real bad but also wants to do this at the same time and would end up confused.
AI art is just complicated as hell
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