Wait what?

So you're telling me that the whole glitch blob thing was some metaphor for toxic internet and NOT corporations fucking over cartoons in the name of profitability? Because hey, it would make the whole show better if it were that way, because the whole metaphor is just so stupid. It's so boring having the show where the whole villain is just toxic internet, because wanna know how to solve it?

Just fucking close the goddamn device.

And while I like it to a certain degree, it's not as better as the anti-corporation message, because it's like the most boring cliche I despise of, since when I think of "what corrupts these cartoons?" Never would I say "it's because of toxic internet." Because it feels so condensing to the audience since the majority likely came from FNF mods or the show itself on the Internet.

To me, Pibby did look interesting at first but when it became a Youtube Kids content farm, I stopped caring for it. So, I don't really mind Pibby not getting greenlit.

I have no expectations whether or not this is going to get greenlit.

Especially with this bullshit where corporations like to shit on everyone who worked on their ideal works.

I don't know what else to suspect as our future in the entertainment industry is at its low. It's hard starting somewhere when everything and everywhere seems blurred. I hate playing mind games.

These CEOs should know that we cannot escape from this ongoing terror in our current events with them, making it impossible to get immersed in the series without thinking of its lifespan and impossible to get accepted into the industry without giving a "humble" rejection letter after being impressed to our beginner's luck alongside with its bullshit requirements if you managed to get passed that. Five fucking years my ass.

There are a lot of overwhelming thoughts when discussing this issue and pressure. It's best to join the community on Discord and other forums to network to discuss this controversial topic and find alternate job opportunities to get back on your feet. Otherwise, you're just left seeing Zaslav's Magnum Opus.

Honestly the concept itself was just not rock solid enough to sustain a show, I felt I could see the show not getting greenlit a mile away

Would the concept work if it was a miniseries or a Tv movie special?

Yes, in the format of a tv movie or even a short miniseries this concept would thrive, pibby had very limited story options tbh, so a miniseries would ve felt alot more organic, wish there were more potential for that to actually happen though

And be in the hands of a studio that's willing to make it?

EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT THE MOMENT I SAW THEM

The corporations fucking over cartoons and artists message is much more powerful than some stupid ass message about the internet, specially knowing that the zombies were supposed to say internet slang and old ass memes and shit too. That's why i mentioned the concept has lot of potential but the creator and his crew doesn't seem to know what to do with it and make it work properly. If they really don't make the show a reality then i think some fan should make an interpretation of the concept that works well. I don't even think they weren't allowed to do that message because shows like Animaniacs make fun of WB and some of their shitty practices all the time so i have no clue why the creator didn't go with that metaphor.

Wow, I never knew that a B-grade violent schlock cartoon would get this hot and bothered. (Wouldn't be the first time, but still)

Pibby wasn't going to be some genre-defying masterclass work of satire, it was a subverted kid show who took the piss out of ersatz Hanna-Baberra characters in a B-movie level schlockfest.

The difference between this and cartoons like Animanaics and The Simpsons who take jabs at WB/Fox is that they were mostly tongue-in-cheek ribbing at a time where it was considered fresh. Nowadays, it just feels forced at best, and cheap cliches that are cringeworthy at worst. Pibby would've easily fallen into the latter catergory, and after a couple of episodes or so, most people would've seen through it.

I'm just going to leave the whole toxic Internet argument aside, because there really does not seem to a universal agreement on what that is that doesn't result in a glorified pissing contest between keyboard warriors on both sides, and I'll leave it at that.

Fully agree.... to disagree.

From what we saw from the Pibby trailer it seemed to be more of a combo of horror and action instead of just being purely action fueled, i'm not gonna deny the fact that it is because essentially it is just a zombie apocalypse.

I obviously didn't expect the show to be the most mind blowing shit ever but due to how unique it was (No it's not just a take on creepypastas LMFAO) and comparing to other ideas and shows running at the moment it's better than most of that. I always see people saying it's just "cartoon gets spooky bad blood scary!!!" and while it is to an extent it wasn't gonna be all that, it's not just throwing innocent characters into dangerous situations or making the cartoon character swear and bleed and die for shits and giggles, from what we could imply (which is the best thing we can do since it might never get greenlit anyways) they were gonna explore the original cartoon characters and the survivors, see how characters who get out of their comfort zone react to an evil much greater than what they are, even if the effects of said evil is just turning characters into zombies it's still lovecraftian in nature due to how it's beyond the reality these lil drawings live in and can somehow bend and manipulate their dimensions partially but in a very effective way. This shit is not just a B-movie horror concept, it's more than just another undead apocalypse show or movie, they were going for something here, and, even if in the end what was going to be done officially with it wasn't satisfying or good at all, the concept still has the potential to be something great in the right hands, not mind subverting like i mentioned but it's still unique and fresh on its own, most people who make mediocre schlock for TV would have just used this for mostly black comedy and stupid ass cliches and jokes, and while Pibby did have hints of black humor it probably would have worked in that setting.

Yeah but even then, when shows nowadays take jabs at companies or networks, like you said, they do it just to be "cool" and "funny", Pibby meanwhile could have used this for its benefit, tell a tale about how shitty networks can be with artists and their creations, instead of going with whatever the fuck those animatic were. You didn't mention this but there would have definitely been 4th wall breaking concepts, and while we are all fucking tired of those, i feel like it would have been an exception for this, as it makes sense in the context and is more unique than just breaking the 4th wall to do a silly reference or jab while the writers say "Woah guys look we are so cool and funny the cartoon knows it's a cartoon and shiz laugh!!!!". Basically what i'm trying to say that while these are cliches, they could have still been used for another purpose than dumbass humor. Also wanna mention that tropes and cliches aren't inherently bad unless, like i said, you do them for the same stupid reasons everyone else did them for and not using them to make something cool or help the story you are telling.

At least that we can agree on, the toxic internet message is subjective as much as i feel it's objectively ass but whatevs LOL

So my point is, could Pibby have been a subverting show? No, it would have just been fun and refreshing than another season of Family Guy or Rick and Morty on TV/streaming. Could it be something worth a whole ass 4 seasons or more? Hell no, the concept as much as i like it doesn't stand that well and gets repetitive for a bit if you think what to do with beyond some initial goals, 1 or 2 seasons would have been enough or either a miniseries or 1 hour special too. I'm saying that if Pibby had gone in the right direction it most have definitely not been another shitty series, if anything it could have been amazing, the fact it was never even given a full chance to demonstrate that is bullshit. I already said i'm disappointed with how the concept is handled now but you know what? Even after those bad moments, i will still defend it tooth and nail because i see a great idea that just needs more refining and work put into it to be the best it can be.

I respect your opinion obviously but i still think it's something worth debating about so.

The sad thing is there are people that think that concept of Pibby can still work and make a comeback and those people are ignorant af. I understand that many wanted it to be a thing, but some things just aren't meant to happen even if you put years of work into it. And just like many in this thread, it's only appealing to a certain demographic, but others will look at it and say "wtf is this kiddy shit?" You can call me ignorant for not being interested in Pibby as well, but at least I can look at something and see if it's my cup of tea and if it's worth continuing or not. And to be completely honest, Pibby gives me Adventure time vibes, another show that I didn't find appealing. Do with that what you will.

A little upset that it isn't a full show. I thought it could of been cool, sorta like a WB Kingdom Hearts in a way. At the same time though, AS making a full april fools joke for a show they said "nah" to is like....really funny to me.

As someone who went to school for animation and has been trying for what must be 6 years now, the current state of Hollywood (not even necessarily a USA industry anymore, all the "get your foot in the door" jobs are being either shifted to Canada and its generous subsidies to poorly-run studios or third-world countries where employees obviously don't need as much to get by, and can be more easily screwed out of even slave wages) is definitely giving me existential angst.

Like, do I really want to see my name in the credits of a Disney movie, even if that Disney movie is a preachy and ugly Disney remake that actually ends up losing the company money (the inexplicable Disney remake trend seems to have peaked with 2019 Lion King, and has been failing to justify $200 million+ budgets ever since the 2020 Mulan remake)--especially now in an age where I can learn to make Toy Story-quality animations by my lonesome with FOSS (Free and Open Source) software like Blender, free YouTube tutorials and a laptop?

Do I really want to spend months on end just making one "triple-A"-looking portfolio piece to make my portfolio website more presentable to large companies, when in that same timeframe and with a simpler (and arguably more appealing) art style, I could make an entire cartoon episode by myself with the aforementioned affordable resources and easily share it on Newgrounds and YouTube?

Heck, do I even want to give shows on Netflix or Max a chance knowing that, no matter how big of a fanbase the show garners, the company will cancel it for some dumb reason like "tax write-offs"? Especially now that EVERYTHING has to be a series with an overarching plot and cliffhangers, as opposed to the days where you could catch any episode of SpongeBob, Dexter's Lab or the Simpsons without having to watch all the prior episodes to understand the current episode.

I was seeing licensing issues since the start, If you guys watched birdgirl (a forgotten spinoff to Harvey Birdman) that series had zero episodes involving other Hanna-Barbera characters, because warner was too scared of what could happen with the brand of those characters nowadays, Birdgirl end up becoming a very mid series.

That's what I thought before they launched Velma.

And thinking that Velma was more prioritized then Pibby is just sad.

Anyways the only show that I am caring about on [as] now is the anime adaptation of Junji Ito's Uzumaki, I hope they don't shit on it like Housing Complex C or the 2 FLCL reboots.

I agree in principle, but the difference is that Velma was a well known character, whereas Pibby was a virtual unknown coming from adult swim, who hearts probably weren't in it. In hindsight, WB probably didnt have any faith in either project, but probably prioritized Velma because of the brand name.

I honestly have zero faith that Jason Demarco will deliver a good adaptation of Uzumaki, considering that he promoted a bunch of unnecessarily sequels to a show that had become irrelevent 15 years ago, and the constant pushbacks and delays of Uzumaki.

Maybe this time it might be different, but I'm hedging my bets on that.

I never really liked Pibby in the first place tbh, idk why. This opinion was like before the shitty fnf mods

First of all fuck this site because I looked up Pibby assuming this project was from NG and only found coomer shit

Regardless of that, now that I've seen the pilot I can see why people wanted it to get greenlit. It's always a shame when show ideas that the creators are clearly into get rejected, but sadly it's common. To me personally, the premise wasn't bad but there already had been many of stories that have used this trope of children's media getting corrupted/being darker than it looks like, along with the glitching and "innocent thing goes violent" kind of thing. In summary it didn't seem like a bad idea although the concept could be considered a bit overused currently.

The concept of Pibby wasn't really something that could work for a full series.

I really loved the idea of Pibby. I can see why a lot of people said it might not work as a full show, but I would've liked to see them try. I'm honestly pretty happy with all of the love it got at its height; the jakeneutron content, the FNF stuff, it was all really cool. Maybe it'll come back as a comic or something someday! If the artists are passionate enough, they won't let anything stop them. But it's whatever really, there's so much art out there, it ultimately made the mark it needed to.