At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

At 11/29/23 02:58 PM, Artcompany wrote:

At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

Exactly! As much as I love clown/jester character I kinda hope the fad falls out so we can have actually interesting designs again.
Speaking of amazing circus I hate Jax's design. Something about the way his mouth moves just pisses me off everytime I see it, and it sucks because he looks decent in 2d. Also, as cute as Pomni is, her jester theme is generic and doesn't really match her character imo.

At 11/29/23 03:05 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:

At 11/29/23 02:58 PM, Artcompany wrote:

At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

Exactly! As much as I love clown/jester character I kinda hope the fad falls out so we can have actually interesting designs again.
Speaking of amazing circus I hate Jax's design. Something about the way his mouth moves just pisses me off everytime I see it, and it sucks because he looks decent in 2d. Also, as cute as Pomni is, her jester theme is generic and doesn't really match her character imo.

Yeah! Exactly! It is obvious that Pomni is a clown because
they so needed a clown character and Kaufmo wasn't quite
"aesthetic" enough. Actually, none of the characters aside
from Caine really fit into the "circus" theme, maybe Ragatha
is more "carnival" but I don't see where Jax or Gangle fit in.

At 11/17/23 01:46 PM, Artcompany wrote:Can be from video games, cartoons, anime whatever as long as it was designed by a person it works. This is your place to vent about those annoying things you keep seeing in character designs, both professional and ametur, that you just hate. Let your hate out here.

I'll start. I hate when non human designs make the character's skin a supersaturated color, it burns my eyes so much especially when the rest of it is equally saturated. (before you get on m for ragging on kids Lapis Lazuli past jailbreak literally hurts my eyes to look.)

At 11/23/23 11:42 PM, BickerySebastian wrote:

At 11/23/23 04:46 PM, PearlHikara wrote:I also looked up "macromastia" on google images and the breasts aren't the right size nor shape for an 11 year old. Obviously it depends on the person, but it kinda seems like a cheap excuse in this situation.

I'm sorry, are we talking about Ilulu here or Kanna here? Because like in Dragon Maid, Ilulu's aged 16 and she's 130 cm, so basically she's a dwarf, or in porn circles, shortstack. But then again, as much as I like Dragon Maid, I don't believe this is a wrong assumption, it's that it's only seems right if you looked for her and not other characters like Tohru, Elma or Kanna. I mean, sure, she has a bigger head than the others (By looking and comparing the head vs. the arms.) when compared to Tohru and Elma (Lucoa doesn't count because the manga NEVER states her age at all and would be detestably older.) but it's not so much of the same proportions as Kanna.
And I know you might say "what about Riko?" and that isn't considered because for one, the previous characters I've mentioned ARE dragons and you are seeing their human form, which is magic by the way, and for two, said forms don't apply with how bodies actually work. Ilulu's a more weird case because her breast size is the cause of them being flame bags? I don't know if you're lucky about her breast size being a problem in her balance (And also Magnedeus) because the very same chapter that Ilulu mentions her age is also the same chapter (It's 52.) that somewhat acknowledges that problem, just at the very end of the chapter.

At 11/29/23 08:20 PM, Artcompany wrote:

At 11/29/23 03:05 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:

At 11/29/23 02:58 PM, Artcompany wrote:

At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

Exactly! As much as I love clown/jester character I kinda hope the fad falls out so we can have actually interesting designs again.
Speaking of amazing circus I hate Jax's design. Something about the way his mouth moves just pisses me off everytime I see it, and it sucks because he looks decent in 2d. Also, as cute as Pomni is, her jester theme is generic and doesn't really match her character imo.

Yeah! Exactly! It is obvious that Pomni is a clown because
they so needed a clown character and Kaufmo wasn't quite
"aesthetic" enough. Actually, none of the characters aside
from Caine really fit into the "circus" theme, maybe Ragatha
is more "carnival" but I don't see where Jax or Gangle fit in.

Yes someone else gets it! Aside from Caine none of the designs fit the characters personalities and circus theme. Gangle almost fits but she's more of theater theme rather than circus. I don't understand how king is even supposed to be anything circus related. I don't understand why couldn't use the circus theme more. Like for example the could've made Jax a lion to reference lion tamers.

At 11/30/23 11:40 AM, Xero-Space wrote:Sparkledogs in any form

Furry characters where they're just an animal head and tail on a human body

Also like really over designed characters in general. Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss has a good amount of examples there. At a certain point there's just TOO much going on with a character and it becomes a massive eyesore. Overly simple characters are usually at most just boring visually but I feel like there's far more use cases for a character in a shirt and pants than a character with 30 different symbols all over their design and ton of tiny intricate shapes

At 11/30/23 04:46 PM, Artcompany wrote:

At 11/30/23 11:40 AM, Xero-Space wrote:Sparkledogs in any form

Furry characters where they're just an animal head and tail on a human body

Also like really over designed characters in general. Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss has a good amount of examples there. At a certain point there's just TOO much going on with a character and it becomes a massive eyesore. Overly simple characters are usually at most just boring visually but I feel like there's far more use cases for a character in a shirt and pants than a character with 30 different symbols all over their design and ton of tiny intricate shapes

God I feel so bad for HH/HB animators. Vivzi really made sparkle dogs in hell and expects her team to animate disney level work while keeping all of that useless detailed. Mad respect for the animators for surviving that.

At 12/2/23 11:19 AM, Artcompany wrote:

At 12/1/23 09:04 PM, Thetageist wrote:Hey all y’all who are still following the thread. With the reveal of years old concept art for a “Wapeach” in Mario Tennis, what are your design hot takes?

I'm honestly disappointed. I was told it was rejected because it was too ugly. Where's the ugly? This is adorable and I might draw fanart of her.

At 11/20/23 10:53 AM, BickerySebastian wrote:Anything that has a rainbow on it, gradients or not, I hate it.
It's not some subtle LGBTQ+ hate, it's because I hate it when artists need to use a fuck ton of colors to design a character. This best explains my hate.

I get that color combination is unique, but do you seriously need to rape my color efficient eyes like this? I feel like anyone who has color deficiency (IE Deuteranopia, protanopia, and trianopia) have it safe here, because this wouldn't stick a sore thumb so much because it's limited to only four colors.

At 11/20/23 01:13 PM, Chuw-Croissantier wrote:Heterochromia and 2 different colors of hairs

Is more common to see it on OCs and stuff, but when it happens i go like: "MF, GENETICS DON'T WORK LIKE THAT, U STUPID SON OF A BITCH" and when they fuse hairs of 2 OCs... oh my fucking god, it's so fucking terrible, that's not hair it's an amalgamation of shit, it's even worse seeing the 3 stuff together, heterocromia, 2 colors of hair and fused hairs, may god have mercy on us,,,

At 11/23/23 11:42 PM, BickerySebastian wrote:

At 11/23/23 04:46 PM, PearlHikara wrote:I also looked up "macromastia" on google images and the breasts aren't the right size nor shape for an 11 year old. Obviously it depends on the person, but it kinda seems like a cheap excuse in this situation.

I'm sorry, are we talking about Ilulu here or Kanna here? Because like in Dragon Maid, Ilulu's aged 16 and she's 130 cm, so basically she's a dwarf, or in porn circles, shortstack. But then again, as much as I like Dragon Maid, I don't believe this is a wrong assumption, it's that it's only seems right if you looked for her and not other characters like Tohru, Elma or Kanna. I mean, sure, she has a bigger head than the others (By looking and comparing the head vs. the arms.) when compared to Tohru and Elma (Lucoa doesn't count because the manga NEVER states her age at all and would be detestably older.) but it's not so much of the same proportions as Kanna.
And I know you might say "what about Riko?" and that isn't considered because for one, the previous characters I've mentioned ARE dragons and you are seeing their human form, which is magic by the way, and for two, said forms don't apply with how bodies actually work. Ilulu's a more weird case because her breast size is the cause of them being flame bags? I don't know if you're lucky about her breast size being a problem in her balance (And also Magnedeus) because the very same chapter that Ilulu mentions her age is also the same chapter (It's 52.) that somewhat acknowledges that problem, just at the very end of the chapter.

At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

At 12/7/23 04:28 PM, Thetageist wrote:

At 11/27/23 11:54 PM, YukarinLadyboss495 wrote:TL;DR: Modern Clowns Are Too Generic, Pomni Is To Blame

Since the Amazing Digital Circus has been very big
lately, I want to say that I've been coming to hate the
generic "stereotypical" clown/jester-type of character
designs.
A lot of clown characters have become very
popular since many years now, ranging from
Pennywise to Jevil, from Marx to Pomni, and, it may
be just me, but the designs have been increasingly less
and less creative and more uninspired, you know?
Like, let's take Geiru Toneido for example, Clussy
fever girl as you may know her. She's a clown girl,
but at least her design was somewhat different from
the more typical "poofy" outfit seen in characters such
as Jevil, and Pomni.
I understand that, apparently, clown girls are the new
goth girls, and it's very often that a clown character
becomes really popular and people seem to like and
love clown/jester characters like Marx from Kirby, but
I guess I find it very boring and repetitive when each
new character seems less than a creative re-edition
and more like a lame pallette-swapped version of
Jevil or Harley Quinn.
And people think that I say this because I hate the
characters, when in reality I genuinely fell in love
with Pomni and I always loved Marx, etc. I'm saying
this precisely because I love those characters and
I can't help but think that Pomni's design would have
been much better with a bit of extra creativity.
I'm not a character designer and I don't know the
first thing about design, but I even want to try my hand
at re-designing Pomni. I just find her design sad.
I blame Sailor Moon for this way of thinking, since
my favorite Sailor Moon season was the Dead Moon
Circus one, and growing up watching it altered my
standards for circus-themed characters, or something.
Anyways, this was a long rant, sorry, but yeah, this is
a design trope I hate.

Would love to see a redesign of Pomni in a style of character design similar to that Sailor Moon season, that'd make for a really unique piece of fanart!

At 11/30/23 11:40 AM, Xero-Space wrote:Sparkledogs in any form

Furry characters where they're just an animal head and tail on a human body

Also like really over designed characters in general. Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss has a good amount of examples there. At a certain point there's just TOO much going on with a character and it becomes a massive eyesore. Overly simple characters are usually at most just boring visually but I feel like there's far more use cases for a character in a shirt and pants than a character with 30 different symbols all over their design and ton of tiny intricate shapes

At 12/8/23 04:18 AM, Skoops wrote:

At 12/1/23 09:04 PM, Thetageist wrote:Hey all y’all who are still following the thread. With the reveal of years old concept art for a “Wapeach” in Mario Tennis, what are your design hot takes?

Despite making a fanart of it, I really think there's a reason this one was left on the cutting room floor.

I've come to expect a certain aesthetic related to the "Wa" prefix. With Wario and Waluigi, there's an exaggeration of their counterparts' physical attributes: Mario and Luigi's design pairing is that one is short+portly, the other is tall+svelte, and so Wario is much shorter and fatter than Mario, Waluigi is much thinner and taller than Luigi. What is Wapeach more of, here? NOTHING.

Beyond that, where's the kind of gleefully evil vibe that gives every Mario Party its "comic mischief" ESRB warning? She looks bored and blank; we already have that with Rosalina, the Mario universe's most boring girl.

If you asked me to make a Wapeach from scratch, she'd be some kind of distorted reflection of Peach instead of just a peach-like character in a different outfit. Make her plus-sized, give her a ton of garishly opulant jewelry, make her happy and proud to be evil, a parody of decadent royalty. I think of something closer to Harriet or Madame Broode from Mario Odyssey minus the furry factor.