At 11/26/23 08:25 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:This is just a random thought to me but everytime when I see a young artist who went to art school, their art looks inferior to their self-taught counterparts.

I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental or I'm not a well-educated enough into the subject, but that's just my opinion. As every time I see a young professional-taught artist, their air has realistic bits in certain areas that makes it looks weird, odd faces, and a semi-uncanny valley effect.

At 11/26/23 08:56 PM, EmsDeLaRoZ wrote:Technically speaking, an artist that goes to a school should be better than an artist that doesn't, since that way should be easier to learn. However, passionately speaking, who cares more about his work? Talking objectively about if an artist is better because he went to school or not tends to be a problem due to things like the interests of the artist and how much he actually wants to improve his technique.

Now, someone who went to school has other opportunities, such as scholarships, visits from important people or companies, a degree, a school work portfolio, etc.

People who are self-taught have to build their own portfolio, disciplinate themselves, and keep constancy in their work. However, if the guy that self-taught himself, is very passionate, and wishes to always surpass his limits, while the one that studied wants money, and just does what they tell him to do, it's obvious who's eventually gonna be better

At 11/26/23 08:52 PM, wamyremy wrote:

At 11/26/23 08:25 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:This is just a random thought to me but everytime when I see a young artist who went to art school, their art looks inferior to their self-taught counterparts.

I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental or I'm not a well-educated enough into the subject, but that's just my opinion. As every time I see a young professional-taught artist, their air has realistic bits in certain areas that makes it looks weird, odd faces, and a semi-uncanny valley effect.

nah you know what i do see your point LOL

i'm sure folks from art school would have a better grasp or understanding of the fundamentals of art, aka the whole realistic stuff (i've never been to art school but i'm fairly certain that they generally make students reference irl stuff there. i don't think they're gonna have lessons about anime there LMAO)

as for self-taught, i feel like a handful of them would stick more to a style or two, since they may not necessarily know every fundamentals in art (anatomy especially comes to mind haha), hence probably more stylistic/cartoony stuff

this is all coming from someone who hasn't really seen much from art school though, nor know of anyone that attends art school, so these are just speculations lolol

for your question though, i don't know. i don't necessarily check if the artists i liked have attended art school or not lol

At 11/27/23 12:48 PM, switzrr wrote:"Self-taught" is a very broad term. Instead of a Boolean "self-taught or not" type deal, it's more of a spectrum. Some call themselves "self-taught" just because they've never enrolled in a dedicated art school but have taken online courses, while others have never taken any sort of mentorship but have relied on books and/or YouTube tutorials, while some legitimately are the closest thing to "self-taught" (95% of the way) by improving solely through drawing still lifes.

Due to all those artists online who brag about being "self-taught" by putting it in their Twitter/Instagram bios, I used to be obsessed with being able to call myself that to the point that I refused the prospect of any sort of external learning resources, even making an NG post on my old account asking how to keep the "rights" to the "self-taught" title. I thought I had to somehow magically absorb the knowledge without using anything to help me. I didn't get over it until I watched this video:

At 11/27/23 02:07 PM, Tenebrare wrote:I promise you - majority of those "self-taught" and what not prodigies online are lying on web for the attention points. Sure may have not gone to some school, but courses they absorb online is not self-taught, they are following still a course or "learning" material.

I want to see that self taught person with 0 online courses building itself up from 0. No such person. It is 0 difference if that education comes from YouTube lecturer or online lecturer from uni.

At 11/27/23 02:07 PM, Tenebrare wrote:I promise you - majority of those "self-taught" and what not prodigies online are lying on web for the attention points. Sure may have not gone to some school, but courses they absorb online is not self-taught, they are following still a course or "learning" material.

I want to see that self taught person with 0 online courses building itself up from 0. No such person. It is 0 difference if that education comes from YouTube lecturer or online lecturer from uni.

At 11/27/23 08:06 PM, Dolorious wrote:Self-taught usually refers to people who acquire knowledge on one's own initiative, rather than through formal instruction or training. Basically no mentorship.
Mentorship being the key part. Self-taught still needs resources. Whether it being books, images and or etc.

So it when it comes to stuff like youtube tutorials. That all depends if it's considered a form of mentorship/personal assistance or a resource.

At 11/26/23 08:25 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:This is just a random thought to me but everytime when I see a young artist who went to art school, their art looks inferior to their self-taught counterparts.

I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental or I'm not a well-educated enough into the subject, but that's just my opinion. As every time I see a young professional-taught artist, their air has realistic bits in certain areas that makes it looks weird, odd faces, and a semi-uncanny valley effect.

At 11/26/23 08:25 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:This is just a random thought to me but everytime when I see a young artist who went to art school, their art looks inferior to their self-taught counterparts.

I don't know, maybe I'm being too judgemental or I'm not a well-educated enough into the subject, but that's just my opinion. As every time I see a young professional-taught artist, their air has realistic bits in certain areas that makes it looks weird, odd faces, and a semi-uncanny valley effect.

At 11/28/23 01:18 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:It depends, I guess. Though, I saw more art gods who never went to art school than art gods who went to art school. Perhaps it's because most people who join art schools do it to learn how to draw but struggle with learning alone ? Not sure.

Most self-taught artists draw better than me by the way ( I went to art-school ).

At 11/29/23 11:38 AM, Alenicia wrote:

At 11/28/23 01:18 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:It depends, I guess. Though, I saw more art gods who never went to art school than art gods who went to art school. Perhaps it's because most people who join art schools do it to learn how to draw but struggle with learning alone ? Not sure.

Most self-taught artists draw better than me by the way ( I went to art-school ).

The main goal of a proper education isn't about learning the skills nowadays either as much as it is forming the connections and networking with others to get a very big headstart in the industry.

You might not be an amazing artist or even lack the skills overall .. but you already know some people and they already know you. So you'll be far more likely to land a career or at least have a foot in the door so you can both get paid and learn more of yourself at the same time.

A self-taught artist doesn't have that .. and while they can have amazing work .. it's also extremely difficult to get "noticed" when you don't have people who already know you and would unconditionally be aware of you. It's not impossible to get big .. but you won't have that safety net of networking/connections for people who can slingshot you forward and upwards.

At 11/29/23 02:01 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:

At 11/29/23 11:38 AM, Alenicia wrote:

At 11/28/23 01:18 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:It depends, I guess. Though, I saw more art gods who never went to art school than art gods who went to art school. Perhaps it's because most people who join art schools do it to learn how to draw but struggle with learning alone ? Not sure.

Most self-taught artists draw better than me by the way ( I went to art-school ).

The main goal of a proper education isn't about learning the skills nowadays either as much as it is forming the connections and networking with others to get a very big headstart in the industry.

You might not be an amazing artist or even lack the skills overall .. but you already know some people and they already know you. So you'll be far more likely to land a career or at least have a foot in the door so you can both get paid and learn more of yourself at the same time.

A self-taught artist doesn't have that .. and while they can have amazing work .. it's also extremely difficult to get "noticed" when you don't have people who already know you and would unconditionally be aware of you. It's not impossible to get big .. but you won't have that safety net of networking/connections for people who can slingshot you forward and upwards.

I didn't think about this & I was starting to wonder if art school was necessary for people who count becoming professional artists. Thanks for letting me know about it !

At 11/29/23 02:54 PM, Alenicia wrote:

At 11/29/23 02:01 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:

At 11/29/23 11:38 AM, Alenicia wrote:

At 11/28/23 01:18 PM, RamenButLeaf wrote:It depends, I guess. Though, I saw more art gods who never went to art school than art gods who went to art school. Perhaps it's because most people who join art schools do it to learn how to draw but struggle with learning alone ? Not sure.

Most self-taught artists draw better than me by the way ( I went to art-school ).

The main goal of a proper education isn't about learning the skills nowadays either as much as it is forming the connections and networking with others to get a very big headstart in the industry.

You might not be an amazing artist or even lack the skills overall .. but you already know some people and they already know you. So you'll be far more likely to land a career or at least have a foot in the door so you can both get paid and learn more of yourself at the same time.

A self-taught artist doesn't have that .. and while they can have amazing work .. it's also extremely difficult to get "noticed" when you don't have people who already know you and would unconditionally be aware of you. It's not impossible to get big .. but you won't have that safety net of networking/connections for people who can slingshot you forward and upwards.

I didn't think about this & I was starting to wonder if art school was necessary for people who count becoming professional artists. Thanks for letting me know about it !

Yeah, it's the only reason why I would ever seriously consider more serious education because those people you meet (your classmates, your instructors, your peers, and even the people who visit) are people you'll likely meet and work within the professional world.

And it's also why having egos and attitudes regarding certain people who took certain steps or not (such as being self-taught or having an education) doesn't look so great in the long run .. because people with those attitudes aren't exactly those I think I would want to work with or want to associate with going forward if they aren't going to grow up.

At 12/1/23 12:34 PM, Jojo wrote:There are certainly points to be made about artists that are self-taught; however the term "self-taught" is pretty much never true as I'm pretty sure all of us self-taught artists had to go on the internet to find out what we know, but I suppose when you say "self-taught" you refer to teaching one's self outside of the normalities of regular teaching, which honestly can have great benefits as the minds of each individual work different and should be allowed to grow and change through neuroplasticity at their own pace. I honestly envision a future where education in general is more of a "learn what you wanna learn" kinda system, and that makes me so happy for the next generations.

At 12/1/23 03:05 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:

At 12/1/23 12:34 PM, Jojo wrote:There are certainly points to be made about artists that are self-taught; however the term "self-taught" is pretty much never true as I'm pretty sure all of us self-taught artists had to go on the internet to find out what we know, but I suppose when you say "self-taught" you refer to teaching one's self outside of the normalities of regular teaching, which honestly can have great benefits as the minds of each individual work different and should be allowed to grow and change through neuroplasticity at their own pace. I honestly envision a future where education in general is more of a "learn what you wanna learn" kinda system, and that makes me so happy for the next generations.

From all the arguments and points in the thread, everyone seems to say or allude that "self-taught" really just means "unorthodox-taught" and say that neither is superior and is all dependent on the individual artist.

But we can all agree that amino users suck balls harder than their dick when they see anyone 14 and under.

At 12/1/23 06:55 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 12/1/23 03:05 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:

At 12/1/23 12:34 PM, Jojo wrote:There are certainly points to be made about artists that are self-taught; however the term "self-taught" is pretty much never true as I'm pretty sure all of us self-taught artists had to go on the internet to find out what we know, but I suppose when you say "self-taught" you refer to teaching one's self outside of the normalities of regular teaching, which honestly can have great benefits as the minds of each individual work different and should be allowed to grow and change through neuroplasticity at their own pace. I honestly envision a future where education in general is more of a "learn what you wanna learn" kinda system, and that makes me so happy for the next generations.

From all the arguments and points in the thread, everyone seems to say or allude that "self-taught" really just means "unorthodox-taught" and say that neither is superior and is all dependent on the individual artist.

But we can all agree that amino users suck balls harder than their dick when they see anyone 14 and under.

I have never heard of aminoapps, but yeah, pedophiles can go to prison.

At 12/1/23 07:09 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:

At 12/1/23 06:55 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 12/1/23 03:05 PM, SporgyTheMenace wrote:

At 12/1/23 12:34 PM, Jojo wrote:There are certainly points to be made about artists that are self-taught; however the term "self-taught" is pretty much never true as I'm pretty sure all of us self-taught artists had to go on the internet to find out what we know, but I suppose when you say "self-taught" you refer to teaching one's self outside of the normalities of regular teaching, which honestly can have great benefits as the minds of each individual work different and should be allowed to grow and change through neuroplasticity at their own pace. I honestly envision a future where education in general is more of a "learn what you wanna learn" kinda system, and that makes me so happy for the next generations.

From all the arguments and points in the thread, everyone seems to say or allude that "self-taught" really just means "unorthodox-taught" and say that neither is superior and is all dependent on the individual artist.

But we can all agree that amino users suck balls harder than their dick when they see anyone 14 and under.

I have never heard of aminoapps, but yeah, pedophiles can go to prison.

Imagine Reddit and Twitter had unholy incest baby, that's amino