Hello NG-fans! P-Bot here, with Thursday's hottest games and movies submitted to the Portal:
Here are the runners up for the day (poor guys!):
We also have new submissions by the following popular artists:
Atastic, Diives, TrustyNG, meekeela, BakethedBean, koit, IsadoraSouls and Rachi-Rode-Hills
Congratulations for all the winners and runner-ups <3
ElRandomGMD (aka RandomToons)
Thank goodness the P-Bots never take a day off!
Congratulations to all today's winners and runners up!
Literally has "NSFW" in their username.
No bonk, get the woodchipper.
Although I'm still glad it lost to Pepe.
Makes me wonder if it's possible to implement a system that automatically detects when a user switches their movie/game rating to Adult. Just so P-bot can automatically eliminate it from its picks, and not awkwardly have this adult animation/game right there in the front page.
Though, P-bot is getting better at resisting his urges so I can't complain too much.
Artist, animator, voice actor, editor and background artist.
You know what they say! Porn sells, talent smells!
P-Bot better has some explaining to do because of the 3rd place.
If you actually watch the video you'll see that though they might have NSFW in their name, this particular video doesn't have anything that even borders beyond 'M'. Not even fetish content. Just some cleavage. Most likely this was just an over zealous re-rating that--if history is any indication--probably won't even stick. Since no one here was complaining about it being mis-rated or at all until it became an 'A', I can only conclude no one was even bothering to watch, only to bitch. Everyone should probably relax, unclutch their pearls, and unclench their assholes.
🚩Friendly reminder:🚩
If your animation is fetish content, please just mark at as adult; people get unhappy when fetish content appears in the non-adult listings.
Huh, didn't expect to see an A-rated sub make it into third. Or to lose to pepe, for that matter.
Anyways, congrats, everyone!
At 8/29/24 07:33 AM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:If your animation is fetish content [...]
Is this literally just a general friendly reminder not targeted at any of today's winners? Because #3 has general sexiness yes, but no fetish content I can honestly fathom. You did watch the video right? What would be the fetish? Not liking vegetables? Being non-human? Jokes that don't land? Is rigged spline animation a fetish now?
At 8/29/24 07:55 AM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 8/29/24 07:33 AM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:If your animation is fetish content [...]
>general sexiness yes, but no fetish content I can honestly fathom.
Yes that counts.
You did watch the video right? What would be the fetish? Not liking vegetables? Being non-human? Jokes that don't land? Is rigged spline animation a fetish now?
If you couldn't already take a hint, multiple scenes focus on the characters' breasts. Oversized breasts featuring that distinct shine, they jiggle, That scene featuring the veggies has more cleavage than veggies, and they all make lewd-looking faces caked in blush filters. These all seem like deliberate, and intentional design choices made by the author that definitely didn't add anything to the story, as opposed to them 'just happening to have big breasts and existing'.
"Just" some cleavage my ass!
At 8/29/24 10:52 AM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:[Breasts]
Yes that counts.
No it does not. Boobs do not count as fetish content. If an Iman told you that, they were wrong. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which for case law purposes is the literal *legal* definition of fetish defines it as:
"sexual arousal from objects or a specific part of the body which is not typically regarded as erotic"
No reasonable person is going to argue that boobs are not "typically regarded as erotic". Boobs are literally one of the proper targets of sexual desire and thus are--by definition--not fetishistic.
Are the boobs in the clip sexualized? Boy howdy yes. Are they fetishized? No. The distinction is important.
I know there is a contingent here on NG that--ironically--has a hard on against all sexual content but normal average neurotypical people draw a clear line between girls in bikinis showing off cleavage or bending over or guys taking off their shirts and "perverted" fetish content such as sexualized feet. The movie guidelines clearly align with this way of thinking. If they wanted to require that all sexual content be rated 'A' or banned, they would just say so. They do not. They clearly carve out fetish and nudity as categories to make it clear that those categories stand separated from normal sexual content.
There are distinctions between sexualized, fetishistic, nude, and pornographic content. No one is served or protected by trying to collapse those categories down into "Ew! Girls!"
At 8/29/24 11:31 AM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 8/29/24 10:52 AM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:[Breasts]
Yes that counts.
No it does not. Boobs do not count as fetish content. If an Iman told you that, they were wrong...
Widow of David Bowie?
-if history is any indication--probably won't even stick
You predicted that the rating would be reinstated because of one zealous mod. What happened next?
They reset the award, then they re-rated a different from M to A, despite it being months old and not winning an award.
No reasonable person is going to argue that boobs are not "typically regarded as erotic"...
...Are the boobs in the clip sexualized? Boy howdy yes. Are they fetishized? No. The distinction is important...
[Brian Griffin]
.....distinctions between sexualized, fetishistic, nude, and pornographic content. No one is served or protected by trying to collapse those categories down into "Ew! Girls!"
It all boils down to this: The standards of what constitutes A-rated content is getting tighter. In general, if you're unsure whether to rate something M or A, it's recommended to pick the higher rating just to be safe. This is not about removing that stuff from the site. We just want them appropriately rated and not in a position to mess with the SFW side.
Whether boobs count as a fetish or not, we're still treating them as such, they serve pretty much the same purpose, even if the Movie Guidelines don't currently reflect that. I honestly think it should be better defined like the ones on the other Portals, but you try arguing to Tom or the mods to get them to swing the pendulum your way.
Artist, animator, voice actor, editor and background artist.
At 8/29/24 12:19 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:It all boils down to this[...]
Indeed. It does seem to always boil down to you using the royal we as if you were on the NG payroll and making sweeping claims about the site's operations.
Yes, this remod stuck and I'll admit my Kremlinology was off and that this battle in the generally successful war to drive users off the site was well won. A 3rd place winner was replaced with an entry with literally less than a tenth of the views. Maybe soon we'll finally have a P-Bot #1 with less than 50 views. On the other hand, Twerkout 2 is still rated 'M' and still has its trophy. Alot of this is tea reading. That's why I stick to talking about what's actually in the rules instead of making absurd leaps regarding staff intentions like you have in your last two paragraphs:
"Whether boobs count as a fetish or not, we're still treating them as such[.]"
Is this meant to speak for the site? If so, it is clearly not true as plenty of titty content has graced the P-bots over the past several weeks alone. Who is "we" here? This borders on mod impersonation.
At 8/29/24 01:28 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:Let me guess another rated a post
yyyep.
So while both you and @Anonymous-Frog were arguing whether or not the animation was too boobalicious, I did the sensible thing and explored @NSFWgenno's account out of curiosity.
Turns-out a decent chunk of their art and animations are rated A. Both pornographic, and non-pornographic content.
My theory is that @NSFWgenno is rating everything as A just to keep everyone under 18 out of their account, since it's their NSFW account, and NG has no feature to make an 18+ only account; only 18+ posts.
Occam's razor's a bitch ain't it?
As for why they made that one post rated M, well that's still a mystery. Probably just them accidentally clicking the wrong options in the rating system.
Edit: found that they flipped a few of their posts back to M, so maybe they're still new-ish to the rating system? Still a silly argument to have regardless
This is the first time when P-Bot changes one submission.
ElRandomGMD (aka RandomToons)
At 8/29/24 03:57 PM, NothanyTPM wrote:Occam's razor's a bitch ain't it?
I still formally concede that this could be mod action, because--of course--it can't be proven and there was a re-rating, but I agree that your explaination is the most likely.
I'd say though, that if that's the case then that's exactly why this argument isn't silly. If no guidelines were violated and no mod did anything, then claims of either amount to baseless personal attacks.
Here we have--if your theory is correct--an artist who doesn't believe the site sufficiently protects *them* from the drama of kids and other members of the peanut gallery. It's just easier for them to defacto rate pieces A even if by all rights and rules those pieces are M or even lower. They just don't want to be harrassed about it. Let's be honest about what that is: successful bullying.
Clearly the vast majority of the users like the piece, hence the voting that earned it a P-Bot in the first place.Â
There are interesting commonalities between the kinds of accounts that attack pieces in the P-Bots: prolific posting, little if any productive work, and almost no cultural traction. I'll leave the connection between A, B, C and D to you, since you're the detective, but between that and the general edict from the mods to keep the P-Bots positive, I think it's important to defend other artist against baseless attacks (eg claims they violate guidelines they don't violate) with your voice and not just your vote.Â
I'll be honest with you, I always find it funny how people treat P-bot like a 5 year old with how they shame everyone for making P-bot even just a slight bit horny that day.
P-bot is a machine that randomly pick 4 highly-rated games and animations, and it tries it's best to avoid A ranked submissions. It's a slot machine of the good, bad, and the horny content people upvoted yesterday, and It's practically just reflecting people's tastes they had. So it says more about Newgrounds users themselves that they're trying to hide their own horniness from the "all-seeing eyes of P-bot"
And really why does all this hate even exist? You don't "win" anything for being picked by P-bot. At most you get a bit more views from being picked by P-bot, a pretty little trophy beside your post, and a bit of "fame" for 1 day. Getting front-pages are more valuable anyways because they're hand-picked by the team, it's out there for longer, and you get a lot more recognition. Meanwhile getting picked by P-bot is like winning a lottery, but with more steps. Actually no, it's much more like the stock market.
Again, so what if P-bot got horny today? You still have the other picks to go through, P-bot tends to remove A rated content pretty quickly, a new batch of picks will come tomorrow, and there's still the rest of the front page to explore. Why the big fuss? It's not like underage kids are going to accidentally watch the A rated content, you need a NG account to do that, and to the kids that are cheating their age, so be it. Let-em have their fun for a bit. I'm pretty sure everyone has done that before at some point right?
 It's just easier for them to defacto rate pieces A even if by all rights and rules those pieces are M or even lower. They just don't want to be harrassed about it. Let's be honest about what that is: successful bullying.
As for this, you don't know how this artist works. Everyone's got their own way of organizing their art. If you look at their page you can see they like to post their comic panels as individual submissions instead of using the new gallery feature. Maybe to them they prefer to just have a flat rating across that comic series. Though, one thing I found humorous is their image version of this animated comic didn't get an A rating on any of their submissions.
Could it be true that this artist got harassed in the past? Probably. However, you can't just go with what comes to mind immediately without asking the artist in question first. Maybe the artist legit has no idea how to rate some of their posts, and can't decide which rating would best suit their work, so they flip-flop between an A rating and an M rating.
Again, Occam's razor's a bitch if you just assume everything.
In the end I'll leave you with this: I have a Civilian rank, you have Scout rank, and the third guy has a Sherif rank. Think of that what you will.
At 8/29/24 04:47 PM, ElRandomGMD wrote:This is the first time when P-Bot changes one submission.
Nah, it's happened a few times before, this is probably the first time you noticed it. It's normal behaviour
I will say it's always a little funny because everyone wigs-out a ton whenever it happens. Almost like an overprotective parent covering their 5-year old's eyes from looking at a pretty girl in a bikini.
I appreciate your attitude about people wigging out, but it's so much worse than people being mad at a slot machine. P-Bot doesn't "randomly pick 4 highly-rated games and animations" it deterministically picks the highest ranked entries based on a weighing of views and score. When people want to "correct" P-Bot they are pissing on what is basically a view adjusted popular vote. That's what gets my panties rolled up. When, on top of it, people take a tone that "speaks for the site" when they are literally speaking against the results of a statistically significant straw poll of the site, the ridiculousness of it goes full blown wedgie. I argue on behalf of P-Bot winners not because the P-Bots are super important but because they are a literal survey of the site itself.
And on the bullying, I don't have to make any assumptions about any bullying in the past. They were bullied today. They were falsely accused of violating the TOS by mislabeling an A piece M. There is nothing in the clip that merits an A. False accusations are not normal debate, they are harassment. If you look at archive snapshots you'll see that--as you've suggested--winning a P-Bot didn't actually garner this movie even a quarter again as many views as it already had. What it did do is lower the score because of all the "lol horny" zero votes. For the crime of... forgetting to make your art hidden to the forum troglodytes? I don't have to assume harassment in the past nor do I have to assume an artist intent because I can observe what happened today. Occam's razor may be a bitch but observation and data is... bitchier.
And as for our rankings, you make my point for me. The ranks are purely based on non-participatory actions like voting and whistling. It's a badge of honour to actually do things and have a low rank. I'm only a Scout and yet software I've written has enabled a crap tons of artist to post their work (and yes win more P-Bots in aggregate than anyone involved in this discussion). I spend my time lifting people up and helping people contribute to the site and defending them against meritless attacks, not judging them, tearing them down or blogging about this year's excuse for why I won't do anything.
At 8/29/24 09:18 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:I appreciate your attitude about people wigging out, but it's so much worse than people being mad at a slot machine.
Alright, I see your point. I don't usually like to accidentally step on anyone's toes when I reply to something like this. I just like to tell people to look at it from a different perspective (with a hint of salt). I will admit that I didn't see any of the mean comments towards that particular video, and I saw it pretty early on too at around 1am so that whole ordeal happened pretty fast.
As for P-bot's algorithm, I knew it was picking the highest ranked videos and games on NG. I didn't know how complex it was, but I knew it's pretty braindead compared to YouTube's video algorithm. Though, I still stand by my point that P-bot more or less reflects what the collective of NG users liked that day. I will also agree that tampering with P-bot's results practically defeats the purpose of P-bot. If people keep tampering with P-bot's results, then P-bot might as well be the "second front page". Basically what I'm saying is "let P-bot be horny sometimes!"
Also, as for the rankings I was half-expecting to get reported by Anonymous-Frog. Though, they surprisingly didn't respond back. Lucky me I guess. It's always fascinating how people will sometimes have a little too much pride with their badges. Though, it's interesting how "anti-horny" NG is, or at least selectively. Didn't see the horny police go after users like Bacun for any of their mildly suggestive art, but I'm rambling too much
In a way I'm in the same boat as you, for as much as I want to help moderate Newgrounds to be better, I got shit to do that'll help others and myself (and maybe even get payed). Like right now I'm in the process of writing a program that'll convert Krita/Photoshop files into Inkscape files for easy graphic designing, web designing, and printing. Pretty neat stuff!
But yeah, hope I wasn't too mean to you. I was just missing a few key details in my quick investigation, and I don't like to jump the gun and accuse everyone. At the very least inform them that there maybe another reason for the cause that we don't know.
All & all, Anonymous-Frog needs to re-read the handbook. Case closed.
Huh? I don't see a single movie that is rated more than T. The hell is going on?
Look at him spin
