Probably not but it definitely will cause some profit bleeding. AI just can't make quality stuff yet, and it never will. A big project like a game needs to have a clear vision and creativity, things AI is incapable of doing. At best you'll have a bunch of aspects that look nice but don't match each other at all. Realistically it would just create a jumbled mess. The only way an AI could make a good game is if it was sapient, but that's not gonna happen for a very very long time if ever at all. I also don't think people would like AI games. Sure you might get some players with the novelty of a game made solely by a computer but after the first 2 or 3 games I don't see people caring anymore. Really I'm kinda excited at the prospect of AAA companies realizing how important their human workers are, maybe it could lead to better working conditions for them, or at least give them more leverage with unions and strikes. So personally I can't wait to see these companies realize first-hand how much of a fad AI is.
At 9/20/24 09:49 AM, LitTheFox0 wrote:At 9/20/24 09:01 AM, DevilRat wrote:I say... Grand Theft Auto VI will be sh*t considering the path Rockstar have been going down. Still we don't have a properly released PC port of Resident Evil. xD
I'll never forgive Rockstar for adding anti-cheat resulting to modding isn't allowed (online) and kick Linux users outs (me)
LitTheFox0, I hate Rockstar as a company due to... If you can't even make the bare minimum of a video game to work on a PC. Don't release the port. Grand Theft Auto V was like their only good port. I meant to say "That One cowboy game with a sequel ". I ignored it as. I want the original, then the sequel. The DRM crap is why I have no interest in Triple A gaming.
Why must I need an account with EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, and more just to play 1 title? That's how I feel as someone who plays on PC. I have no interest or rather just pure spit and disinterest towards Epic Games for the years of waiting for some titles. Like... Three words, SQUARE ENIX GAMES... R.I.P Anyone remembering there was a PC port of Kingdom Hearts.
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At 9/20/24 10:26 PM, DevilRat wrote:Why must I need an account with EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, and more just to play 1 title? That's how I feel as someone who plays on PC. I have no interest or rather just pure spit and disinterest towards Epic Games for the years of waiting for some titles. Like... Three words, SQUARE ENIX GAMES... R.I.P Anyone remembering there was a PC port of Kingdom Hearts.
I am happy with my games on Steam although I have GOG account to play old games, The other game launchers (Rockstar, EA , Ubisoft, etc...) are pointless because they don't have the value I like my game to be everywhere I don't need to signup and agree the Terms of use multiple times and then uninstall if there nothing to do
and btw I thought Kingdom Heart was released on Steam did they remove it ?
No, they didn't but HD this time. Well, the original one is gone... I see... RIP
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2552430/KINGDOM_HEARTS_HD_1525_ReMIX/
We're sort of in a similar spot now to what preceded the original games industry crash of 1983: there's a huge quantity of games released daily, and most of them aren't especially good. This is especially true in the indie scene.
AI lowers the barrier to entry so much: it can teach people with zero game dev knowledge how to make games. If you don't believe me, here's a video of a guy getting chatgpt to recreate Flappy Bird in Unity from scratch.
AI is not entirely to blame for the oversaturation of bad games lately, but it is exacerbating the issue a lot.
I would argue that we're on the verge of another crash, but I think the games industry will pivot more into being like the film industry rather than just completely receding: where you need to get some sort of union membership to be a part of it, which you can only get by working on games for a while. I guess that's kinda what publishers are now that I think about it, but I think it'll be a bit more transparent in the future.
I dunno though: games are in such a strange spot now, even without all the AI stuff...
Gaming journalism is widely mocked and mistrusted, we have franchises that have been going on for over 30 years still running and yet the industry is extremely apprehensive to do reboots, and on mobile we're moving towards making what are basically just hubs to watch ads.
For those who think I'm just a hater, I say this as somebody who is about to publish a game on Steam, and whose been making indie games for the past 7-ish years now.
TL;DR: it's hard to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a similar games market crash within the next 10 years.
Too big to fail at this rate, it's not a niche hobby anymore
but AAA developers will probably undergo a restructuring at some point
too much money thrown in that is wasted, studios aren't sustainable and often fail, the industry caters to ideological zealots and it backfires on them constantly, too many problems with the status quo for it to last
No pods, no casters
If AI is like other forms of media the big industries will still be there but will lose a lot of passion. Unfortunately the profit gain from AI makes it that no matter how many rip offs it makes the quantity more than makes up for it. The working conditions were already horrible and it will only get worst as many designers will be demoted to editors fixing the AI errors.
At 9/20/24 01:47 PM, orangebomb wrote:A total hypothetical, but let's say the video game industry does crash, who will bear the biggest hit? Most likely, it's not going to be Take-two, EA or Ubisoft, (they won't go unscathed, but has enough money and clout to absorb losses) but AA and indie studios will be thrashed heavily, while lower rung AAA companies like THQNordic, SquareEnix and Sega will take a big hit.
Indie games (and to an extent AA games) have generally thrived on being the alternative for a long time, but with a scant few exceptions, most of them are either too niche or are more or less carbon copies of AAA games, just downgraded and filled with gimmicks. That's not exactly a very good way of reviving a medium, especially when gamers are more used to big name titles/franchises and the perceived quality and attention they get.
I said this before and I'll say it again, a VG crash is going to punish gamers a lot more than anyone else, and in more ways than one. This isn't the 70's or 80's, where VG was a kiddie fad with no real identity or foundation.
"It's not likely going to be Ubisoft"... Oh boy they will be suffering. Let's list some games as of lately and their whoop-lashings. "Skull and Bones " WAS THE BIGGEST FAILURE UBISOFT MADE! Let's also mention how "fine" their Assassin's creed shadow is in Japan where it is roasted for being pretty dreadful.... EA's Call of duty is not distinct at all anymore... Triple A games have gone to shit since 2013. Why pay 60 dollars if 50 is cheaper and should downscale the game to its essentials? Double A games used to exist due to handhelds and not needing larger budgets. Take-Two, I forgot about them. I won't forgive take two for what they did to Kerbal Program.
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At 9/22/24 12:34 AM, DevilRat wrote:At 9/20/24 01:47 PM, orangebomb wrote:A total hypothetical, but let's say the video game industry does crash, who will bear the biggest hit? Most likely, it's not going to be Take-two, EA or Ubisoft, (they won't go unscathed, but has enough money and clout to absorb losses) but AA and indie studios will be thrashed heavily, while lower rung AAA companies like THQNordic, SquareEnix and Sega will take a big hit.
Indie games (and to an extent AA games) have generally thrived on being the alternative for a long time, but with a scant few exceptions, most of them are either too niche or are more or less carbon copies of AAA games, just downgraded and filled with gimmicks. That's not exactly a very good way of reviving a medium, especially when gamers are more used to big name titles/franchises and the perceived quality and attention they get.
I said this before and I'll say it again, a VG crash is going to punish gamers a lot more than anyone else, and in more ways than one. This isn't the 70's or 80's, where VG was a kiddie fad with no real identity or foundation.
"It's not likely going to be Ubisoft"... Oh boy they will be suffering. Let's list some games as of lately and their whoop-lashings. "Skull and Bones " WAS THE BIGGEST FAILURE UBISOFT MADE!
Ubisoft's delusion will lead to their downfall, but that wasn't the point I was making.
Let's also mention how "fine" their Assassin's creed shadow is in Japan where it is roasted for being pretty dreadful....
How easy is it to whine and complain about a game before it is even released. I guess reserving judgement until people actually playing the game is considered a faux pad now.
(FTR, it may not be that good, but let the game launch and see what happens instead of letting the terminally online dictate Joe Q. Public wants to play)
EA's Call of duty is not distinct at all anymore...
Battlefield has stop being relevant years ago, and while EA certainly has done them no favors, their sport franchises do more than enough to keep them afloat. Then again, people will screech at EA because of who they are.
Triple A games have gone to shit since 2013.
Now you're just admitted to drink the Kool-aid of hipsters and belly-achers who live in a level of denial. If it has really gone to shit since 2013, I doubt that the VG industry would be a multi-billion dollar industry for that long and have many dozens of well respected AAA games in that time. If you don't believe that, that's on you, but don't drag everyone else down.
Just stop worrying, and love the bomb.
AI is more of a buzz word, like NFTs were like a year or two ago. Yeah, it's some cool tech coming out, and some cool advancements in LLMs, but realistically, it's just in a big hype cycle. We've already started seeing the downturn of that hype as people have realized all these things are cool, but not really that useful generally. IE: I have enough coding understanding to fix things, but not really write from scratch. I can follow a code's logic, but not really build it myself. I tried using Chatgpt to make a basic python script to read an XMLTV file and write the currently playing show's info into a txt file, then update regularly. This is a very simple application, and even that was just too much between me and ChatGPT. Should've been a great moment to show how useful ChatGPT is. Ultimately, it cemented it as little more than a tool for people too lazy to spend 5 minutes scrolling through Google. Even then, it's unreliable still. But, I think it's firmly among things like Siri 10 years ago, where you can ask it questions verbally. Some people will opt to do it, some will say "that's too much effort, I'll just type into Google."
As for your question of a crash, I don't think so. I think we're in a pretty bad slump, but the industry is so big companies will almost certainly correct and produce better works before people just give up all together. This as someone who spends way too much on games, including new games, emulating old games, and buying physical copies of old games because I hate myself and feel the need to spend money to own useless shit.
At 9/22/24 11:15 AM, orangebomb wrote:At 9/22/24 12:34 AM, DevilRat wrote:At 9/20/24 01:47 PM, orangebomb wrote:A total hypothetical, but let's say the video game industry does crash, who will bear the biggest hit? Most likely, it's not going to be Take-two, EA or Ubisoft, (they won't go unscathed, but has enough money and clout to absorb losses) but AA and indie studios will be thrashed heavily, while lower rung AAA companies like THQNordic, SquareEnix and Sega will take a big hit.
Indie games (and to an extent AA games) have generally thrived on being the alternative for a long time, but with a scant few exceptions, most of them are either too niche or are more or less carbon copies of AAA games, just downgraded and filled with gimmicks. That's not exactly a very good way of reviving a medium, especially when gamers are more used to big name titles/franchises and the perceived quality and attention they get.
I said this before and I'll say it again, a VG crash is going to punish gamers a lot more than anyone else, and in more ways than one. This isn't the 70's or 80's, where VG was a kiddie fad with no real identity or foundation.
"It's not likely going to be Ubisoft"... Oh boy they will be suffering. Let's list some games as of lately and their whoop-lashings. "Skull and Bones " WAS THE BIGGEST FAILURE UBISOFT MADE!
Ubisoft's delusion will lead to their downfall, but that wasn't the point I was making.
Let's also mention how "fine" their Assassin's creed shadow is in Japan where it is roasted for being pretty dreadful....
How easy is it to whine and complain about a game before it is even released. I guess reserving judgement until people actually playing the game is considered a faux pad now.
(FTR, it may not be that good, but let the game launch and see what happens instead of letting the terminally online dictate Joe Q. Public wants to play)
EA's Call of duty is not distinct at all anymore...
Battlefield has stop being relevant years ago, and while EA certainly has done them no favors, their sport franchises do more than enough to keep them afloat. Then again, people will screech at EA because of who they are.
Triple A games have gone to shit since 2013.
Now you're just admitted to drink the Kool-aid of hipsters and belly-achers who live in a level of denial. If it has really gone to shit since 2013, I doubt that the VG industry would be a multi-billion dollar industry for that long and have many dozens of well respected AAA games in that time. If you don't believe that, that's on you, but don't drag everyone else down.
When it comes to post-2013. The most titles I do enjoy are the constant quality Nintendo has, except Pokémon. It looks like a western video game crash...PS3 I would say was the best console ever made thanks to a built-in-blueray, Demos everywhere, and I miss free online on consoles.
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I would say it's a regional part of the world video game crash for Triple A, but not Indie or Double A.
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