Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
Most likely they're probably gonna make a Sega Classics Collection 2 as a excuse. It wouldn't shock me
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SEGA is probably the most preservationist of all of the non-indies. They're probably just replacing it with a collection that runs games @ 4K & 120fps or whatever.
I think most, if not all classic Sega games are available as roms with enough redundancy that this doesn't matter.
They're not in immediate danger.
Modern games are more of a problem.
Anything that requires connection to a central server cannot be backup up by the users.
It never makes sense to me how we focus on companies acting unethical, and not on the legal framework that allows them to operate.
In this case, it would be easy to reinstate public domain for works that aren't actively commercialized anymore.
I don't see it happening unless there's some sort of miracle though.
At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
At 11/12/24 10:13 PM, Chdonga wrote:SEGA is probably the most preservationist of all of the non-indies. They're probably just replacing it with a collection that runs games @ 4K & 120fps or whatever.
I am still taking their removal of Sonic 1, 2, and 3 on Steam personally. For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons, Sonic Origins is a bad collection in my opinion. Blurry pixels / no sharp pixels... That doesn't or shouldn't slide in 2024+ Why!?!?!? Also the audio quality in Origins is bad.
Though let's get rid of the anger and laugh at the many times sonic 1 and 2 have been released. In my personal opinion, the best version of sonic 1 and 2 on the 3DS, mostly due to being the most exclusive 3d display technology using title on the system. One that feels exclusive due to. How many people have a 3DS Display right now? I may exclude PS3 users to be a little cheeky.
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At 11/13/24 04:19 AM, Volpon wrote:I think most, if not all classic Sega games are available as roms with enough redundancy that this doesn't matter.
They're not in immediate danger.
Modern games are more of a problem.
Anything that requires connection to a central server cannot be backup up by the users.
It never makes sense to me how we focus on companies acting unethical, and not on the legal framework that allows them to operate.
In this case, it would be easy to reinstate public domain for works that aren't actively commercialized anymore.
I don't see it happening unless there's some sort of miracle though.At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
Sega roms aren't in danger? In their legal releases. Sonic Origins slaughtered Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 + knuckles... Along side the original PC port of Sonic CD. In favor of a crappy origins port. I do not like Origins due to just looks shoddy as it gets. Sharp pixels are what I want. I just want the experience sonic 1 ~ 3 as intended. I get it with 3's music, but... Sega should've just kept those releases... 3 could've been the one to go. It ticks me off due to the easy rom adding for it and subscribing on the Steam Workshop.
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At 11/13/24 10:14 PM, DevilRat wrote:For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons,
Wait, was there some kind of legal scuffle about that game or am I misreading?
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At 11/13/24 11:09 PM, Yomuchan wrote:At 11/13/24 10:14 PM, DevilRat wrote:For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons,
Wait, was there some kind of legal scuffle about that game or am I misreading?
For context it's due to Sonic 3's music. Using the " original music / prototype ".Comparison crap
Though, the sound quality is complete crap.
My emotions 101 when I hear Sonic 3 Origins.
Even crappier comparison of the prototype vs. origins
... Sonic 3 wasn't released on modern platforms since the DS or January 2011 if count the steam release... So do you see why people complained about Sonic 3 not being released.
This was " Okay fine, we will release the game, but didn't say without changes. Monkey's paw situation.
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At 11/13/24 11:09 PM, Yomuchan wrote:At 11/13/24 10:14 PM, DevilRat wrote:For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons,
Wait, was there some kind of legal scuffle about that game or am I misreading?
Yep, that's a game title that has some nasty re-release issues. Sega ports 1 and 2, but never 3. Due to legal baggage. The " Michael Jackson involvement " doesn't help this video game's case. I wished they didn't need to alter the music or figure out a way to bring back the old music or make it a toggle...
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At 11/13/24 10:17 PM, DevilRat wrote:At 11/13/24 04:19 AM, Volpon wrote:I think most, if not all classic Sega games are available as roms with enough redundancy that this doesn't matter.Sega roms aren't in danger? In their legal releases. Sonic Origins slaughtered Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 + knuckles... Along side the original PC port of Sonic CD. In favor of a crappy origins port. I do not like Origins due to just looks shoddy as it gets. Sharp pixels are what I want. I just want the experience sonic 1 ~ 3 as intended. I get it with 3's music, but... Sega should've just kept those releases... 3 could've been the one to go. It ticks me off due to the easy rom adding for it and subscribing on the Steam Workshop.
They're not in immediate danger.
Modern games are more of a problem.
Anything that requires connection to a central server cannot be backup up by the users.
It never makes sense to me how we focus on companies acting unethical, and not on the legal framework that allows them to operate.
In this case, it would be easy to reinstate public domain for works that aren't actively commercialized anymore.
I don't see it happening unless there's some sort of miracle though.At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
I never actually played Origins, but with it destorying those roms that could be backups, yeah I do not like that. And to be honest, I actually have roms of games I areadly have officially because I want to back them up in case something happens.
At 11/13/24 11:22 PM, Swordser15 wrote:At 11/13/24 10:17 PM, DevilRat wrote:At 11/13/24 04:19 AM, Volpon wrote:I think most, if not all classic Sega games are available as roms with enough redundancy that this doesn't matter.Sega roms aren't in danger? In their legal releases. Sonic Origins slaughtered Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 + knuckles... Along side the original PC port of Sonic CD. In favor of a crappy origins port. I do not like Origins due to just looks shoddy as it gets. Sharp pixels are what I want. I just want the experience sonic 1 ~ 3 as intended. I get it with 3's music, but... Sega should've just kept those releases... 3 could've been the one to go. It ticks me off due to the easy rom adding for it and subscribing on the Steam Workshop.
They're not in immediate danger.
Modern games are more of a problem.
Anything that requires connection to a central server cannot be backup up by the users.
It never makes sense to me how we focus on companies acting unethical, and not on the legal framework that allows them to operate.
In this case, it would be easy to reinstate public domain for works that aren't actively commercialized anymore.
I don't see it happening unless there's some sort of miracle though.At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
I never actually played Origins, but with it destorying those roms that could be backups, yeah I do not like that. And to be honest, I actually have roms of games I areadly have officially because I want to back them up in case something happens.
I would consider buying Origins if it was a discount bargain bin title, but I am too content with my lives counter and romhacks... SEGA Mega Drive and Genesis Classics will be delisted on Dec 6th. That makes my blood boil.
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Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to line up a classic games service of some kind to coincide with the reboots of their legacy games they announced last year. If not just a new collection intended for PS5, Switch2, and series X/S.
Personally I think the biggest shame is the most recent Genesis collection was best on steam due to the native steam workshop support. I feel like losing that little app is effectively kill that mod scene
At 11/13/24 11:20 PM, DevilRat wrote:At 11/13/24 11:09 PM, Yomuchan wrote:At 11/13/24 10:14 PM, DevilRat wrote:For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons,
Wait, was there some kind of legal scuffle about that game or am I misreading?
Yep, that's a game title that has some nasty re-release issues. Sega ports 1 and 2, but never 3. Due to legal baggage. The " Michael Jackson involvement " doesn't help this video game's case. I wished they didn't need to alter the music or figure out a way to bring back the old music or make it a toggle...
Wew. I did not know that. Funny story, I actually have the original cartridges for those. And they function to this very day.
Guess I'll need a proper box for 'em now.
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This is precisely the reason I hate music streaming and prefer owning personal offline copies of my fave albums.
At 11/14/24 02:06 AM, shempman wrote:Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to line up a classic games service of some kind to coincide with the reboots of their legacy games they announced last year. If not just a new collection intended for PS5, Switch2, and series X/S.
Personally I think the biggest shame is the most recent Genesis collection was best on steam due to the native steam workshop support. I feel like losing that little app is effectively kill that mod scene
Right now the games are all a dollar if you are an American, I can't speak for other countries. I get the legal reason potentionally being the cause for the take down. The Genesis collection works on the steam deck. Why go for the switch outside of physical copies? Though one swedish friend asked if the pc version has any input lag, from what I could tell. Nope. So now they are kind of hurting the other way to play the game portably.
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At 11/14/24 04:04 AM, Czyszy wrote:This is precisely the reason I hate music streaming and prefer owning personal offline copies of my fave albums.
To me, streaming and subscriptions encourage me to pirate the material. Nintendo + for their SNES app did that to me. xD " Panel de pon "? Yep I am testing it on the switch then off my merry way to pirating it onto my steam deck. I want physical copies or give me the darn rom! >:X I DO NOT LIKE SUBS, they encourage me to pirate. As I want 1 show, 1 book, 1 manga, 1 video game, but NOOO! I have to support all the other junk to be granted access to! I could excuse it if lifetime license or download to keep. Am I evil to where i just want to support want creator out of a thousand on the same platform?
I am okay with importing untranslated media, I do not care what tongue. The subscription wall is a huge turn off no matter what medium it is.
The most recent video game album I purchased was flipwitch's OST. As steam allows me to download it.
Sega removing their roms boils my blood as they are going to replace it something worse... With Denuvo. Did they not learn their lesson with Sonic Mania, PC Sonic fans... Stop paying for Denuvo added sonic titles.
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At 11/14/24 04:04 AM, Czyszy wrote:This is precisely the reason I hate music streaming and prefer owning personal offline copies of my fave albums.
I think to add salt to streaming / subscription services. It reminds me old netflix in the late 2000's. Before charging heavily for a small selection of shows. That was a good deal. To have a successful streaming service, you must provide everything in place. That sort of centralization I view is a double edged sword. It is good if the shows for every are good, but bad as it means censoring older media is increased tenfold.
Sega removing that genesis emulator annoys me as a deck user. As I am considering having a second copy of the emulator, so when my Swedish friend does get his steam deck. I could easily gift him that. I hate the fake scarcity. Too bad he won't have sonic 1~3. :(
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At 11/14/24 03:09 AM, Yomuchan wrote:At 11/13/24 11:20 PM, DevilRat wrote:At 11/13/24 11:09 PM, Yomuchan wrote:At 11/13/24 10:14 PM, DevilRat wrote:For Sonic 3 / knuckles, I can excuse that behavior... Due to legal reasons,
Wait, was there some kind of legal scuffle about that game or am I misreading?
Yep, that's a game title that has some nasty re-release issues. Sega ports 1 and 2, but never 3. Due to legal baggage. The " Michael Jackson involvement " doesn't help this video game's case. I wished they didn't need to alter the music or figure out a way to bring back the old music or make it a toggle...
Wew. I did not know that. Funny story, I actually have the original cartridges for those. And they function to this very day.
Guess I'll need a proper box for 'em now.
Check the cart's batteries as it is a ticking time bomb that will make the cart kick the bucket. I remember at a local store. I saw a "Not for sale Sonic 1 " cart.
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possibly making a reboot or ultimate edition. Not sure of the current success rate let many to question if their ability and some the people that work on them were not satisfied working with them.
At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:Recently, SEGA has decided to remove their classic games collection from all eShops. Of course this is a evil thing to do, and I wondering what everyone here takes from this.
Im big sad because of this truly tragic moment in gaming history
The only reason why I'm invested in this is because they're taking Jet Set Radio to piracy hell. I know I should've taken this as a issue since I'm a Sonic fan, but I'm one of those who don't like the main Genesis/Mega-Drive games except I do like the more "modern" 2D Sonic games (IE when it was around the GBA and DS days, so basically you can say Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush and also Colors DS to an extent. I haven't played Mania however.), so I wasn't really interested in getting the Genesis/Mega-Drive games on PC.
But seriously, why Sega. Why do you have to make Jet Set Radio the HARDEST games to own and play. Did Jet Set Radio Future's exclusivity mean NOTHING to you? Who the hell is firing up a Xbox emulator to play that title?? Sure, it's playable but who the hell is going to get either an Xbox or an Xbox 360 and get a copy for THAT game, let alone that WITH the original Jet Set Radio game? I mean yeah, there's the announcement at The Game Awards show in 2023, but like why delist JSR now? Isn't this supposed to be a NEW game we're getting which to an extent it may not even be the original JSR? I don't even get SEGA, on one hand, they're great at preservation, but on the other, they make blunders like Sonic Origins and maybe to some extent Sonic X Shadow Generations, but this is because of stuff like dialogue blunders, like Tails remembering going to Green Hill despite not appearing in Sonic 1 or Knuckle's comment on Classic Sonic being fat (This is because the animation is the same so why does Classic Sonic rub his belly when Knuckles only talks about Angel Island. ...What kind of food does Angel Island even have??), and characters, like Rouge's clothes and also Amy's personality, like yeah, I get it, Amy's boy crazy for Sonic so much it overshadows her character, but like... Adventure is canon, I don't know why they had to swap her description from "girl who simps for Sonic but cares about other people" to "fortune teller girl who's nice to Sonic." in a game that acknowledges older games in the first place.
At 11/12/24 09:04 PM, Swordser15 wrote:[...] what everyone here takes from this.
(I am not particularly interested in SEGA's IPs or games catalogue but I know about how the company acted in the last 3-ish decades, so I'll reply to this post without looking up the details.)
This seems like a very straightforward action on SEGA's part: It's an official announcement that they are sick of curating their library and providing support for their "old" games. They are sobered realists who have been in the business for a long time. And they know exactly how people are going to react to this. ...And that means that they are telling anyone who's still interested in those games to pirate them. Removing any kind of software from official marketplaces is the equivalent to telling your potential customers that you do not intend to monetize it further and are okay with them pirating said software - but cannot say so directly, in case the old men at the big table change their mind again in the future.
*Hrumph* But of course you should never pirate a video game that was made-- I mean published by a multi-million dollar company, because... Erm... Well...
Oh yes: All the creative people who ever have worked on those games-- No wait, they are never going to see another dime, no matter how successful the fruit of their labor might become.
All the retailers-- No wait, the industry is doing their darndest to make selling physical games unprofitable by putting games on sale online while brick-and-mortar-store retailers would have to sell the same games at a loss in order to get rid of them...
Sequels-- Oh, who am I kidding...
Okay: Frankly, I have completely forgotten why we shouldn't pirate video games published by the "AAA-games industry" from the word go. I blame the very same industry for making me forget.
For legal reasons, all the stuff I said above about pirating video games (abandonware or not) being okay was satire. The AAA-games industry can still go to hell, though.
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Sega as a whole seems to one of the few companies that actually puts in a decent effort into actual preservation of games, and considering how haphazard the whole preservation deal is coming from the games industry as a whole, (AAA gets a lot of heat for this, but AA and indies have some blame to go around) Sega is well ahead of the curve.
Is it profit-driven nostalgia? Absolutely it is, but it's better to take small victories on this kind of thing. (For sake of argument, emulation is a better option moneywise, but that only goes so far)
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