Hey Charlotte, I'm going to go ahead and quote myself because I fucking love to do that. Why is this club here? Well, I explained it in the earlier pages. Let's go over that again.

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IN THE FIRST POST.

At 8/2/06 04:35 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote:

Here's a club for all of you virgins out there who have decided, for whatever reasons they may be, to hold out on doing the deed. Be proud of your decision! Forget peer pressure, foolish standards in our society, and that silly emphasis on loose sex. All that's required is that you be comfortable with who you are!

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Hell, I was even asked in specific. Giving me a chance for further explanation about this club's purpose.

At 8/3/06 08:34 PM, screamokaratekick wrote: I love this club. I do have a question for our founder: What inspired you to start this club? Are you some sort of peer mentor, or do you simply believe in "love, not lust?" Anyway, just curious.

You could say it's a bit of both. I believe in the opinions that I have shared here so far, but it is also as a means for people to join and feel comfortable with their decision, instead of feeling left-out in this often times foolish society. Also, after noticing the increased population of the younger spectrum of users, i'm glad to know that by reading through and joining this club, they'll have the opportunity to see an alternative route to take in their lives without feeling "uncool". Giving people a moment to pause and think about their actions, considering what really has substantial meaning in their lives, is one of the main goals.

I'd like to bring up a point, this club is here to support the pro-virgin life style, and although analyzing the faults of lust and promiscuity is perfectly fine, it's intention is not to bash anyone. Just a separate opinion, and a different lifestyle.

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Topics are not limited to just virginity. It is what any other club is meant to be, a gathering for a group of people who all have something in common. That something being supporters of the pro-virgin lifestyle. It is explicitly stated that members who join share their viewpoint and reasoning for this choice, so it's intention is not a pointless club where people come in to bitch about not getting laid and how much they masturbate. There are many depths and sides to this subject, as well as people who appreciate such a concept, which if you had read through the pages, you would understand.

A support group, a help topic, and a discuss thread. Those sum it up best.

So, Charlotte, I hope this gave you a greater understanding. Noticing how perplexed you were about the existence of this club, I thought I would ease your mind. ;)

At 8/4/06 02:52 PM, WilliWowza wrote: Yep, that's what the PM system was made for, this is a Bulletin Board not a chat room

http://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Internet_forum

"An Internet forum is a facility on the World Wide Web for holding discussions."

I believe that's what I'm using it for.

At 8/4/06 02:54 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: IN THE FIRST POST.

Read and comprehended.

In detail, etc.
A support group, a help topic, and a discuss thread. Those sum it up best.

I still fail to see how there could be SO MANY sides to something so simple.

You either choose not to have sex for whatever various reasons, or you're prevented from doing so for other reasons.

So, Charlotte, I hope this gave you a greater understanding. Noticing how perplexed you were about the existence of this club, I thought I would ease your mind. ;)

Didn't help much.

At 8/4/06 02:50 PM, CharIotte wrote: Hence my discussion with Dobio. Is there something wrong with using the BBS to have a conversation?

Not at all, as long as they conform to the topic. Unrelated chats are what the PM system was introduced for.

That sentence seems coherent.

He missed an 'e' off 'one'. Besides that it makes perfect sense to me.

Oh, I'm not angry. I just would like to know why this club is still open.

Why should it be locked? Is it breaking any rules?

Firstly, you said conversation, not discussion, there is a difference

More importantly, stop your crusade of hate on this club and do something constructive instead, like I just made this heart out of right guard and socks, I'M SPREADING THE LOVE!
<3

Isn't it against the rules to request a lock?

Also, I think the last 4 pages are seriously off-topic. A shame, really.

At 8/4/06 02:59 PM, CharIotte wrote: I still fail to see how there could be SO MANY sides to something so simple.
You either choose not to have sex for whatever various reasons, or you're prevented from doing so for other reasons.

All right. I've been trying to figure out what the hell you want to know about this club beyond the dense statement of "omg it should be closed", and now i'm going to assume from your post here, that it's a matter of trying to understand the sides and depth of this topic. Yet again a matter which if you had read through the previous posts of this club you would understand, but i'll expound for you.

Beyond virginity, and the various reasons for people taking participation in the lifestyle, this club also opens up discussion for the analyzation of the human behavioral pattern and lifestyle. It deals with issues of:

- Our society's views on sexuality

- Peer pressure
* Schools, friends, popularity and how to handle these issues.

- Cultural differences
* Impact of home life, race, moralistic views, etc.

- Religious variations
* Belief systems, maritial issues, etc.

- Governmental views
* State-to-state, laws and regulations, etc.

- Media influence;
* Music, movies, fashion, etc.

- Psychological impact
* Choices, reasons, and consequences.

You know, I could keep this list going for a while. Are you beginning to understand now, though, Charlotte? Or shall I keep going for you?

At 8/4/06 03:03 PM, Dejanus wrote: Charrlotte, how would you react is Sarah went to your Mafia thread and constantly dissagreeing with everything you said and whined about the thread needing to be locked?

I dunno, it's not my thread.

At 8/4/06 03:03 PM, -Nev- wrote: Not at all, as long as they conform to the topic. Unrelated chats are what the PM system was introduced for.

So you're saying that my asking about the relevance of this topic is not related to it?

He missed an 'e' off 'one'. Besides that it makes perfect sense to me.

That much is clear, although I don't whore my "bobs" nor backseat mod.

Why should it be locked? Is it breaking any rules?

1. I never said that it should, and if you think that's what I'm implying, that's not my fault.
2. If whether a topic breaks any rules or not is the measure of whether it should stay open, then a lot of the locked and deleted threads were done so completely unjustly.

At 8/4/06 03:04 PM, WilliWowza wrote: Firstly, you said conversation, not discussion, there is a difference

Conversation has a good number of synonyms, one of which is discussion.

At 8/4/06 03:05 PM, Dobio wrote: Charlotte, you're acting dense on purpose, I know you aren't as dumb as you are making yourself out to be in this thread.

Aww, I'm flattered.

Or am I?

I'm letting this thread stay open, because I am sick of people acting like it's a terrible thing for people to not have had sex in their life.

Okay, so how would this make that stop?

At 8/4/06 03:22 PM, Dejanus wrote: Hey, ive been trying to get on topic, every time I do, Charlotte comes on and rants again!

Oh no, whatever shall we do.

At 8/4/06 03:23 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: You know, I could keep this list going for a while. Are you beginning to understand now, though, Charlotte? Or shall I keep going for you?

Then this isn't actually a virgin club, it's a sex-related issues club.

Which all are already discussed in Politics and General.

At 8/4/06 03:39 PM, CharIotte wrote: Then this isn't actually a virgin club, it's a sex-related issues club.
Which all are already discussed in Politics and General.

Darling, you asked for the sides. I am trying to get the point across that the topics are not -just- limited to virginity. What I mentioned, are topics all interconnected with virginity. Point being, it branches out for interesting discussions amongst the members. That does not mean that the essence of the club is just that. I'll repeat for you just as much as you repeat your same point.

I'm simply trying to help you understand. You're having so much trouble with this, and.. we're here to help you, Charlotte. You can stay in here as long as you like. ;)

We're here for you.

At 8/4/06 03:43 PM, Dobio wrote: lalalalala

You remind me of someone I know.

It's so funny how you two are so similar.

At 8/4/06 03:48 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: I'm simply trying to help you understand. You're having so much trouble with this, and.. we're here to help you, Charlotte. You can stay in here as long as you like. ;)

We're here for you.

Oh, it's quite all right. I'm not a virgin, so I don't suppose this is the club for me. : )

Commence assumptions on my personality.

Okay, this is getting a little bit out of control. This site is starting to lose the signifigence it had just begun building up, due to the user known as Charlotte, however sad I find it to say this. I don't like to point out anyone, whine, or complain, but seriously, the only thing that has happened over the past 3 pages was Charlotte flaming this thread, and getting flamed in return. I think this is sad, as it is completely and utterly meaningless. What could have been a nice thread, where decent discussions could have been held, has come under fire. I, for one, do NOT like this. I don't understand the reasons for this either.

So, I have 2 suggestions to make.

1) Charlotte, overall, I think you're a nice user. But I just don't agree with the way you're posting on this thread. So either post decently, or don't bother posting at all.

2) Should you find this unacceptable, I suggest to the other users to ignore anything Charlotte posts on this thread, form here on on.

I'm sorry. I really am. You're a nice user, and a regular. Two things for which I like you.
So it pains me to have said this.

At 8/4/06 03:55 PM, CharIotte wrote: Oh, it's quite all right. I'm not a virgin, so I don't suppose this is the club for me. : )

Alrighty, now i'm going to make another point. You find virginity to be pointless, and that a club created for pro-virgins is a waste of time, right? Well, you see, like I had mentioned before, it's all a matter of a difference of opinion. Of course I knew there was going to be opposition toward this subject when I created the club. But that display of opposition only reinforces why this club is here. It's not just here on the internet that people are quick to judge, and consider frivolous these decisions, but it's also a contributing factor in the outside world as well.

Commence assumptions on my personality.

No assumptions, it boils down to how you present yourself that I come to conclusions about your personality.

At 8/4/06 04:13 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: Alrighty, now i'm going to make another point. You find virginity to be pointless, etc.

No, I don't.

No assumptions, it boils down to how you present yourself that I come to conclusions about your personality.

See above. Your conclusion was wrong, making it an assumption simply because I present myself on purpose to prompt such a reaction.

Until I feel like letting you know me, any conclusions you make about my personality are wrong. And that'd require me being your friend, which I'm not at the moment. ^___^

Let's both not waste our time; I'm not interested in posting more in this club, and you're not going to help me in any way unless I let you. You can forget that I ever posted here, I'm quite done.

At 8/4/06 04:18 PM, CharIotte wrote: Conclusions, assumptions, and everything in between.
You can forget that I ever posted here, I'm quite done.

Taa-taa, Charlotte. ;)

Come back anytime.

At 8/4/06 04:26 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote:

Come back anytime.

Considering this place isn't for her as she's nay virgin isn't that somewhat impossible :P.

At 8/4/06 04:21 PM, Dobio wrote: And thus, the period at the end of the chapter, ends the story.

lmao.

Right, rofl. Moving along then?

At 8/4/06 04:30 PM, Dejanus wrote: Anyone got a new thing to discuss?

Born again virgins.

Thoughts?

Well, I'm still waiting for an opinion on mt first post on page 4. The little 'charlotte business' got in the way I suppose. Feel free to reply.

At 8/4/06 04:35 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: Born again virgins.

Thoughts?

A rather pointless concept in my opinion. You can not undo the act of having sex, so you can not be a born again virgin as I see it.

The only way to get back your virginity is to turn back time and not sleep with whoever it was that you lost your virginity to.

Whislt its sort of...noble ( best word I can think of) that certain people want to start all over again and undo the mistakes they have made in the past, its pointless, as they won't be undone.

Nothing they can do about it, shame on them if they wasted their virginity, but they ain't getting it back, no matter what they do.

At 8/4/06 04:35 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: Born again virgins.
Thoughts?

Well its kinda pointless isn't it. You'd know that you wouldn't still be a virgin and I think fooling men whilst knowing you're a liar is horrible.
Plus you can never be a born again virgin. Just someone with a restored hymen.

However what really annoys me about this is the whole 'Saying young' thing. It gets on my nerves. Why can't people just be natural and except that natural beauty is far better than false cosmetic products.

Charlotte, I monitor the C&C pretty well (at least when it comes to new clubs, I don't do much digging through old ones), and I've checked in and out of this thread many times to see if it should stay or not, because I was weary of how well it would do. It seems to be doing just fine though, and I don't see a reason for it to be locked. They're discussing things more than just saying, "Hey, I'm a virgin too!"

I've also been popping in and out of this thread since it began, because I kept wanting to post in it, as I do not agree with some of these reasons behind why you should keep your virginity, but I don't want to accidently start up some giant heated debate... Or do I >:)

Yay! Joining this club because...well, i'm a virgin : / But not only that, I can't fucking stand how much emphasis there is on sex nowadays, especially as a teenager, I mean you can't go through about an hour without someone talking about sex or losing their virginity to someone they got drunk and met outside a concert or something. It gets very old after the 13th time ¬_¬

*sigh*

So the majority feels that because they participated in the physical act of losing their virginity previously, that even through "spiritual cleansing" and possible reconstructive surgery (in regards to the female), it's impossible to ever reach that status of "pure" ever again? I suppose that this asks the question of just how much does the act of sex have to do with spirituality, physicality, and menality. It's true that you cannot reverse time and take back what you did, but perhaps they see it as a forgiveness and a new beginning. A way for a fresh start. Kind of like how one is forgiven for their sins, cleansed so to speak, and strives to lead a better life afterwards.

I'm trying to see this from both perspectives. Personally, I side with the fact that once that decision is made, it is something they have to deal with for the rest of their lives. I see no problem with forgiving and accepting yourself for an unsavory past, making ammends and moving on the wiser. That's actually commendable. But to go as far as to consider yourself completely absolved is questionable, and the process of the surgery is a rather ridiculous concept. You simply cannot erase a whole part of yourself, but you -can- improve.
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At 8/4/06 04:58 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: However what really annoys me about this is the whole 'Saying young' thing. It gets on my nerves. Why can't people just be natural and except that natural beauty is far better than false cosmetic products.

I agree with that to a certain extent. I feel like cosmetic products can be used to enhance a woman's beauty, boosting her self confidence. This is wonderful. After all, we all strive for beauty, in some form or another. On the other hand, it should not be used as a means to "cover up" and "disguise". Like some women I know, will not leave their house without being fully made up. It is hard for them to come to terms with themselves as they are naturally, not feeling adequate in public unless they look a certain "acceptable" way. This perfection obsessed mentality can be dangerous, and without the right preventive measures, it can grow far, far worse. It extends to drastic measures like plastic surgery, an increased waste of money on products, and a low self esteem. I know this is said a lot, but really, beauty has to come from the inside before it reflects on the outside.

At 8/4/06 04:59 PM, DirtySyko wrote: I've also been popping in and out of this thread since it began, because I kept wanting to post in it, as I do not agree with some of these reasons behind why you should keep your virginity, but I don't want to accidently start up some giant heated debate... Or do I >:)

Haha, if you want to share your opinion, that's fine. It's just as accepted as the next person's, even if it creates a debate. ;)

At 8/4/06 05:06 PM, thegreatmorph wrote: Yay! Joining this club because...well, i'm a virgin : / etc.

Welcome!

Trying to return to a "pure" state of virginity after having consensual sex may be questionable, but what about the ones who didnt give consent? the ones who were raped / forced to have sex.
And if these people who were unconsenting are allowed to refer to themselves as virgins does that change the whole context of the word virgin? from mearly being a penetrating sexual act to being some kind of spiritual act?

At 8/4/06 04:26 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote:

At 8/4/06 04:18 PM, CharIotte wrote: Conclusions, assumptions, and everything in between.
You can forget that I ever posted here, I'm quite done.

Taa-taa, Charlotte. ;)

Come back anytime.

Don't bother leaving the door open, sarah. We should just slam it in that little bitch's face. I can't believe I wasn't here for that whole ordeal... dammit.

Also, what does everyone think on the topic of viewing pornography, but still retaining virginity? It's sort of a broad topic, but please discuss.

At 8/4/06 06:12 PM, Naked_Beercan wrote: Trying to return to a "pure" state of virginity after having consensual sex may be questionable, but what about the ones who didnt give consent? the ones who were raped / forced to have sex.
And if these people who were unconsenting are allowed to refer to themselves as virgins does that change the whole context of the word virgin? from mearly being a penetrating sexual act to being some kind of spiritual act?

Its nice if we reply to all relivent posts before starting new topics ;-)

(added post as the stupid 80% quote thing is annoying <--- ignore)

At 8/4/06 06:22 PM, Dejanus wrote: Screamo, are you having sex with this porno? If not, your still a virgin. I look at hentai every day and have yet to lose any virginity!(as far as I know!)

Dude, that's not what I meant. All I'm really asking for is people's views on watching porn, I guess. Obviously, it's impossible to fuck porn XD. And BTW, I love hentai, but it's damn hard to find decent clips on the internet. Help?

At 8/4/06 06:27 PM, Dejanus wrote: We should take that to pms.

Good idea...

NB and SKK, i'll get back to your posts later tonight. I have to leave for now, you both pose interesting questions, though, and i'd like to go more into detail with them.

When I come back i'm also going to put a new ranking system in order for you all. It'll be fun, just wait and see. ;)

Hint: It involves famous people.

At 8/4/06 06:31 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: When I come back i'm also going to put a new ranking system in order for you all. It'll be fun, just wait and see. ;)

Hint: It involves famous people.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... ranks...