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The Pornhub Purge

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The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 06:40:37


First there was the Tumblr Purge, and now we've gotten so much worse.


So for the three people who don't use Pornhub and don't know what's up, two days ago the site decided to completely fuck itself (yes, pun intended). Pornhub has made the decision to delete EVERY SINGLE VIDEO on the website uploaded by unverified accounts, in response to allegations of the site hosting child abuse videos and. Two days ago, Pornhub had well over 13.5 million videos hosted on its servers. That number is now down to 2.9 million, meaning Pornhub has deleted over 78.5% of its content. The allegations of child sex abuse come from Exodus Cry, a Christian advocacy group known for its anti-sexualism and anti-LGBT rhetoric. Another group in on the action is the Internet Watch Foundation, which has a habit of blacklisting sites with perfectly legal content without even notifying the site owners first.


Needless to say, people are pretty pissed off, and rightfully so. Pornhub says they're just being persecuted for being a porn site, and it is clear as day that they are right. For the past few months PH has been the target of a relentless campaign to get it blacklisted, on charges of 118 instances of hosting videos of underage girls, rape videos, etc. Which, nobody is actually really denying could be on there. With so many videos and so much user freedom, of course things will slip through the cracks, and it's the job of PH staff to deal with that.


But Facebook, Instagram, TikTok (aka ChinaWare) and pretty much every single other major social media site are also well known for having issues of child abuse content being hosted, often MUCH more egregiously than Pornhub. But Facebook has also done so much insane shit over the years that they are now an untouchable god and even the biggest of lawsuits and/or hate campaigns levelled against them wouldn't do much damage. And TikTok is essentially owned by the CCP, so of course they'll never be held accountable for what really matters. Pornhub meanwhile is obviously not in such a lucky position, and being the most recognisable porn site out there means that they get all the public scrutiny that their brand of content can get. So when shit hits for the fan for them, of course they're going to oblige to anything in order to keep themselves afloat. You could say they don't have much of a choice.


But here we are once again, in the exact same situation as Tumblr, and in a very similar situation YouTube always seems to be finding itself in. The last straw for Pornhub was when Visa and Mastercard abandoned Pornhub due to the child abuse allegations, a big blow for their Model Program. So, to desperately keep companies from continuing to leave them, 80% of all the content on Pornhub is gone now! So many of my favourite videos are lost to oblivion, and I'm sure many of yours are too. In response, many PH users are declaring they are now leaving the site in search of better weather, having to deal with the fact that THE porn site for everything is now just a shell of what it used to be.


To quote one commenter under PH's official blog, "Oh hey. Looks like you have a tiny skin lump on your finger. I would suggest cutting off the entire side of your body as treatment."


This is the Tumblr purge of 2018 ramped up past 11, and just is yet another example of how unnecessary outside pressure will push companies to do the stupidest things just to avoid financial setbacks. And when I say this is like the Tumblr purge, I mean it is exactly like it in every way. Tumblr banned all the porn, lost a huge swath of its audience, and as a result suffered way worse financial setbacks than it would have if it never did anything in the first place. Pornhub has banned 80% of its content, a huge swath of its users are pledging to leave, and it will no doubt suffer way worse financial consequences than if it never did what it did to begin with, now that they don't even have the user traffic needed to facilitate its growth.


I do understand why they want to do more than just ban the singled out content, though. They want to show that they actually care about the problem rather than only taking the most minimal of action because they got called out. But I think even PH users can come up with better solutions. Maybe just ban the rape category? Don't allow videos that depict nonconsensual sex at all, real or staged? Don't allow super extreme content in general? Surely any of these options would alienate your audience far less than banning 80 fucking percent of everything on your website.


But I guess ultimately it's doubtful that these "minor" changes would bring all the ad companies and payment processors back, and is certainly not what these evangelical (literally) watchdog groups want to see happen. Maybe Pornhub really didn't have much of a choice after all. It's clear enough from their blogpost that they aren't exactly proud of the whole situation, but not being proud doesn't take away from the fact that you guys pretty much just signed your own death certificate. I know this may sound like a stretch, but I will be very surprised if Pornhub is at all relevant like it usually is within the next few months.


It's also a funny coincidence that this purge, which happened on the 13th, comes almost as the exact time as the Tumblr purge did in 2018, December 17. December seems to be the new designated month for porn purges. So much for Dick Destroying December, eh?


In any case, 2020 really has been just one disaster after the other, and this Pornhub purge will hopefully be one of the last ones. But that does little solace to the fact that the most prominent porn site ever has pretty much resigned to a premature death, as is always the case when these scandals against social media sites happen. But really, the main reason Pornhub was the target here is very simple, and that is the fact that, well, they host porn. The Pornhub blog says it very well:


It is clear that Pornhub is being targeted not because of our policies and how we compare to our peers, but because we are an adult content platform. The two groups that have spearheaded the campaign against our company are the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (formerly known as Morality in Media) and Exodus Cry/TraffickingHub. These are organizations dedicated to abolishing pornography, banning material they claim is obscene, and shutting down commercial sex work. These are the same forces that have spent 50 years demonizing Playboy, the National Endowment for the Arts, sex education, LGBTQ rights, women’s rights, and even the American Library Association. Today, it happens to be Pornhub.


Until the higherups in our society can get over the fact that people want to jerk off, this shit will continue to happen. And that's why you should support Newgrounds! Because unlike Pornhub, we're actually focused on being self-sufficient and not relying on the corporate doghouse to fund our existence!


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 07:01:12


They don't want their website to be hosting child porn created by unverifiable sources, karen.


Fuck you give me money!

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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 07:09:33


I hope anime is next.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 07:50:55


You know what that means. Load your blam rifles, fellas.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 08:22:11 (edited 2020-12-15 08:22:18)


Nah, Porn is really easy to get back.Pornhub is not dead yet,as long as there are horny fucks around it´s not going anywhere.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 08:51:54 (edited 2020-12-15 08:58:25)


I'm pleased Pornhub has made this move and is doing something to actually combat the reams of child porn it hosts. I don't care if a Christian was the one who made the complaint - the reports I've seen say that discovering videos of children being raped on Pornhub is as easy as typing 'underage' into the search box. Pornhub has enough money to ensure that it does not host videos of child rape. The CEO shouldn't even take a penny in profit until he has set up a decent moderation system.


I have heard that people contact Pornhub to ask them to remove videos of them being raped as a child, and Pornhub drags its heels, asks for unreasonable levels of proof, etc. All the while profiting from the victim's rape and exploitation.


What it seems to me is that Pornhub has done something drastic so a bunch of masturbators will get annoyed that there are a mere 15,000 anal cream pie videos on it, and these wankers will then say "Oh it's so unfair and unreasonable that people expect Pornhub to ensure it doesn't have any child rape videos on it. Look at all the consensual material that got removed because of these anti-child-porn prudes."


Because it's not in Pornhub's interests to moderate itself properly, or to remove child rape videos. It's good that they've at least done something, finally. Even if it is nakedly an attempt to keep people on their side.


I feel guilty whenever I use Pornhub and not because I feel ashamed about wanking. It's because I feel ashamed at supporting such an immoral company that trades in pictures of child exploitation. At least I don't pay for Premium and I use an AdBlocker.


However, I think what PornHub did is deliberately drastic and an overreaction, and I think they should've given uploaders the option to download all the content they created before it got deleted. Maybe they did, I dunno.

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 09:07:15


I favorited a lot of videos of hot girls taking a shit on there, and only a few of them actually showed the shit. You can find some of those same videos on YouTube. So basically, most of the content amounted to efro and not full-on scat play.


More explicit scat has never been allowed under PornHub guidelines, but that's why I use other sites like FreshScat.


That being said, what happened here was wrong in every way. Leave the videos up, let us jack off our lives away whether the accounts uploading them are verified or not.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 10:02:05 (edited 2020-12-15 10:06:19)


At 12/15/20 06:40 AM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:
It's clear enough from their blogpost that they aren't exactly proud of the whole situation, but not being proud doesn't take away from the fact that you guys pretty much just signed your own death certificate. I know this may sound like a stretch, but I will be very surprised if Pornhub is at all relevant like it usually is within the next few months.


I don't think that will be the case at all.

Remember, they're only taking down the non-verified accou-

OH SHIT, THAT'S ME! THEY'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN ALL THE CARTOONS I UPLOADED THERE, GODDAMMIT!!!!

Oh well, I've got my own website now anyway. No harm no foul.


Like I was saying, they're only taking down the non-verified accounts, that still leaves a lot of porn that only the most putrid coomer could sift all the way through. Remember, there was a time in human history when all available pornography was distributed exclusively through three forty-page magazines that only came out once a month, and ya had to pay for it!


The amount of porn on the website doesn't change the fact that it's still the most recognizable porn site on the internet, and I doubt anyone is gonna stop using it just because they dropped the amateur category (Most of which was poorly shot and boring anyway).

At the end of the day, people gonna jack off, they're gonna do it on what they're used to doing it on, and they don't really give a shit about the larger politics going on with PornHub.com.


Personally, I don't think pornography should be free in the first place, I think sites like PornHub are oversaturating it for one thing and making coomers' lives way too easy for another, and that is why I will be obtaining all my future pornography from reputable smut-peddlers such as my personal hero Larry Flint. After all, at least I can be assured that the girls in Barely Legal magazine are actually... Ya know, legal.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 10:05:17


I always used xvideos so idgaf... but lately I haven't even used that.


You can find subscription websites logins & passwords if you know where to look.


...and onlyfans content bundled into megashares too.



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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 11:09:19


Good.


People watch and have too much sex.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 11:21:15


Pornhub was basically pushed into making this decision. They hardly deserve credit.


They also haven’t addressed the human trafficking claims for some of the content they publish.


hello

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 11:26:04


At 12/15/20 06:40 AM, HavryloThePigeon wrote:First there was the Tumblr Purge, and now we've gotten so much worse.

Not really. Tumblr tried to ban NSFW entirely which really fucked over the creators who made it, Pornhub is purging videos from accounts that haven't undergone the verification process which I've heard isn't even that hard to do, especially compared to say Twitter, so really any creator willing to go through that process is probably benefitted by not having their work re-uploaded by another account and losing potential ad revenue. Obviously people can re-upload it on other platforms but inertia is a powerful thing that will keep many people who use Pornhub using Pornhub and so those people won't look on those other platforms and, hopefully, support verified creators, in however minor a way.

Two days ago, Pornhub had well over 13.5 million videos hosted on its servers. That number is now down to 2.9 million

Oh no, only 2.9 million hosted videos, there's no way I'll have enough to jack off to now. For the record, if you conservatively round the length of these videos to an average of one minute or 60 seconds each you get 174 million seconds which is roughly 5.5 years. I'm aware not all of it's the stuff everyone feels like jacking off to but I'm sure the average dude could still find something new that he can get off to once a day for an entire lifetime with what's left.

The allegations of child sex abuse come from Exodus Cry, a Christian advocacy group known for its anti-sexualism and anti-LGBT rhetoric. Another group in on the action is the Internet Watch Foundation, which has a habit of blacklisting sites with perfectly legal content without even notifying the site owners first.

I mean, sucks that they had the power to do that, doesn't inherently make the move bad. Worth noting that there are more allegations from other sources that PH didn't address anywhere near as enthusiastically.

For the past few months PH has been the target of a relentless campaign to get it blacklisted, on charges of 118 instances of hosting videos of underage girls, rape videos, etc. Which, nobody is actually really denying could be on there. With so many videos and so much user freedom, of course things will slip through the cracks, and it's the job of PH staff to deal with that.

Yeah. Sure sucks that that stuff's there, I sure wouldn't want to be a member of PH staff hired to look at CP to verify whether that's what it is or not, seems to me that only making verified accounts able to upload anything is a pretty powerful filter to avoid the stuff getting on there in the first place, no?

But Facebook, Instagram, TikTok (aka ChinaWare) and pretty much every single other major social media site are also well known for having issues of child abuse content being hosted, often MUCH more egregiously than Pornhub.

See, that's bad, but this is what one might call whataboutism and wouldn't really hold up in an argument if we were having one - which, in case this comes across as aggressive, is not the intent here - as all it does is try to avoid the current point of contention, namely child abuse on Pornhub being bad, which it is, regardless of whether other companies are also hosting it. FB, IG, and TikTok should be held to the same standards, yes, doesn't mean Pornhub shouldn't.

But here we are once again, in the exact same situation as Tumblr, and in a very similar situation YouTube always seems to be finding itself in. The last straw for Pornhub was when Visa and Mastercard abandoned Pornhub due to the child abuse allegations, a big blow for their Model Program. So, to desperately keep companies from continuing to leave them, 80% of all the content on Pornhub is gone now!

I mean...yeah? It's not like it can sustain as massive of a platform as it has without ads. I don't think their earnings are public but I wouldn't assume the company makes most of their money off of subscriptions.

So many of my favourite videos are lost to oblivion, and I'm sure many of yours are too.

Imagine having favourite porn vids lol just search for something and jack off.

Pornhub has banned 80% of its content, a huge swath of its users are pledging to leave, and it will no doubt suffer way worse financial consequences than if it never did what it did to begin with, now that they don't even have the user traffic needed to facilitate its growth.

I really do not see a coomer boycott working I have to say, plus even if they get less traffic, if they've deleted 80% of their content that surely means a lot less money spent on video storage at the very least, so I'm not sure how confidently someone can say they'll lose money from this.

Maybe just ban the rape category?

...Is there a rape category? Like, I've seen that on hentai sites but not on Pornhub.

Don't allow videos that depict nonconsensual sex at all, real or staged? Don't allow super extreme content in general? Surely any of these options would alienate your audience far less than banning 80 fucking percent of everything on your website.

Seems like more work on their end, though. Like you only need to verify an account once, perusing everything every non-verified account uploads, to see if it meets your guidelines would probably take a lot longer. I guess you'd only need to look at stuff by non-verified accounts but

I know this may sound like a stretch, but I will be very surprised if Pornhub is at all relevant like it usually is within the next few months.

Yeah it does sound like a stretch I'll be honest.

Until the higherups in our society can get over the fact that people want to jerk off, this shit will continue to happen.

Yeah, that's the real worry as far as I'm concerned. I've seen sex workers say that the Pornhub purge is probably beneficial to them, but that that probably wasn't the intent of the people lobbying for it to happen. If those people have this kind of power then there's the possibility of much worse things happening that people really need to watch out for.

And that's why you should support Newgrounds! Because unlike Pornhub, we're actually focused on being self-sufficient and not relying on the corporate doghouse to fund our existence!

Poggers.

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 11:29:28


At 12/15/20 11:21 AM, BUM-DRILLER wrote:Pornhub was basically pushed into making this decision. They hardly deserve credit.

They also haven’t addressed the human trafficking claims for some of the content they publish.


lol 90% of these deleted videos were revenge porn


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 11:53:13


A bit disheartening that this was more of a financial reason rather than an ethical reason.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 15:00:50


at least newgrounds still has tentacle hentai


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 16:12:19


Child pornography is a disgusting thing that should be illegal to create, host, and view. I don’t blame any company for taking measures to get that filth off of their platform(s). It does seem like overkill to nuke all of that content in order to accomplish that goal, but if the alternative was to have major credit card companies abandon you as a verified vendor and put your business’s existence in jeopardy, I can understand their choices. That’s not even mentioning the legal battles they might have faced in the future if they continued as they did before. I do openly wonder if they could have done other measures like aggressively look for content marked or linked to terms like “underage” and go after that specifically instead of the broad, sweeping move they went for.


Moves like this do make it feel like the Wild, Wild West days of the internet are quickly coming to an end. Porn and copyrights are more scrutinized than ever and a few giant companies have monopolized the web for their own purposes. We’re basically Red Dead Redemption’s John Marston in 1911 watching the lawless and free world we knew die in front of us.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 16:20:17


At 12/15/20 07:50 AM, Deity-Donkus wrote:You know what that means. Load your blam rifles, fellas.


My blam rifle is always loaded.


At 12/15/20 11:09 AM, DingleberryClock wrote:People have too much sex.


Impossible.

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 16:26:45 (edited 2020-12-15 16:26:59)


At 12/15/20 04:12 PM, ZJ wrote:Moves like this do make it feel like the Wild, Wild West days of the internet are quickly coming to an end. Porn and copyrights are more scrutinized than ever and a few giant companies have monopolized the web for their own purposes. We’re basically Red Dead Redemption’s John Marston in 1911 watching the lawless and free world we knew die in front of us.


Yep. The days when you'd be checking out Newgrounds, Albinoblacksheep, Ebaumsworld, Ogrish, YTMND etc are over. Youtube, Facebook, Reddit, Google, Twitter and Pornhub is all you need. Anyone who is on a site other than those probably went out of their way to find a small community.

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 16:54:43


We as a species have an obligation to oppose LGBT rights.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:00:41


At 12/15/20 04:26 PM, Earfetish wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:12 PM, ZJ wrote:Moves like this do make it feel like the Wild, Wild West days of the internet are quickly coming to an end. Porn and copyrights are more scrutinized than ever and a few giant companies have monopolized the web for their own purposes. We’re basically Red Dead Redemption’s John Marston in 1911 watching the lawless and free world we knew die in front of us.

Yep. The days when you'd be checking out Newgrounds, Albinoblacksheep, Ebaumsworld, Ogrish, YTMND etc are over. Youtube, Facebook, Reddit, Google, Twitter and Pornhub is all you need. Anyone who is on a site other than those probably went out of their way to find a small community.


"They don't make that internet like they did back in my day! I tell ya, we had it rough, we had to go to a whole other room to turn the router on, uphill, both ways! But I tell ya our internet was the bees knees, not like it is today."


Seriously, quit talkin' like a couple of tech boomers, it's like I always say, the internet's the same "wild west" as it always was but everyone keeps mistaking five corporate run websites as the entire internet, which it certainly is not. Really it's more of a testament to how lazy everyone's gotten that they don't even bother seeking out new websites to use and instead choose to bitch about how "the old internet is gone".


All those websites you listed had to be sought out and spread around before anyone started using them you know, so maybe instead of forgetting our object permanence we start seeking out new sites to use and (pay attention, this is the important part) SHARING THEM WITH ONE ANOTHER!!! Perhaps then you'll quickly see that literally nothing has changed, in fact, YTMND is still around and looks exactly like it did fifteen years ago, so is Ebaumsworld and they're still rocking the model of stealing content from other sources just as they always have, Ogrish just rebranded to LiveLeak, and while I never used AlbinoBlackSheep it appears to just be a shittier version of Newgrounds.

The only website that actually went away that I'd consider a huge loss is Rotten.com, and even then it was such a simple idea and layout that it would be very easy to make something just like it in this day and age with the bare minimum of HTML knowledge.


The only thing that's changed about the internet is that it's gotten more user-friendly, which has made everyone complacent, so whenever a website makes some huge drastic change they act like it's the end of the world as they know it. Maybe everyone who beats the "Wild west era" drum should be happy it's gone, because I don't think you guys would be able to handle it anymore anyway!


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:09:10


At 12/15/20 04:54 PM, TailsPrower wrote:We as a species have an obligation to oppose LGBT rights.


Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:12:08


At 12/15/20 05:09 PM, DrunkGecko wrote:that explains why all my hitomi tanaka porn was deleted
oh well, i'll find them on another site


Maybe Onlyfans?

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:25:53


At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:


The only thing that's changed about the internet is that it's gotten more user-friendly, which has made everyone complacent, so whenever a website makes some huge drastic change they act like it's the end of the world as they know it. Maybe everyone who beats the "Wild west era" drum should be happy it's gone, because I don't think you guys would be able to handle it anymore anyway!


Miss me with that "it's just more user-friendly" shit. It's insane to think that the only changes that have happened over the last 20 years is that pop-up ads and auto-playing music on web pages went away.


Of course there's still pockets where there's a bit of that old school free-for-all spirit is still alive and well. I said that it was dying, not that it was gone completely. We are posting on Newgrounds dot com after all with it being independently owned by one of the most philanthropically inclined men on the planet. But you can't deny that things have changed. Even this website won't let you you upload a flash animation with a mainstream song on it like you could in 2002. Tom has even gone and deleted a few submissions based on content. We can debate if those changes are GOOD or not, but they've definitely come. It's not being a "tech boomer" to note that there are a lot more rules now than there were. It's a fact.


Pretending that things are the same now as they were before the rise of corporations like Facebook, Google-backed YouTube, Twitter, etc. is as wacky as saying the American frontier is still around because it's possible to go to Alaska and live in a remote cabin in the wilderness with minimal government interference.


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:26:02


At 12/15/20 05:09 PM, DamnedByFate wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:54 PM, TailsPrower wrote:We as a species have an obligation to oppose LGBT rights.

you want a piece of my balls? come at me little man!


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:37:37


At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:"They don't make that internet like they did back in my day! I tell ya, we had it rough, we had to go to a whole other room to turn the router on, uphill, both ways! But I tell ya our internet was the bees knees, not like it is today."

Seriously, quit talkin' like a couple of tech boomers, it's like I always say, the internet's the same "wild west" as it always was but everyone keeps mistaking five corporate run websites as the entire internet, which it certainly is not. Really it's more of a testament to how lazy everyone's gotten that they don't even bother seeking out new websites to use and instead choose to bitch about how "the old internet is gone".

All those websites you listed had to be sought out and spread around before anyone started using them you know, so maybe instead of forgetting our object permanence we start seeking out new sites to use and (pay attention, this is the important part) SHARING THEM WITH ONE ANOTHER!!! Perhaps then you'll quickly see that literally nothing has changed, in fact, YTMND is still around and looks exactly like it did fifteen years ago, so is Ebaumsworld and they're still rocking the model of stealing content from other sources just as they always have, Ogrish just rebranded to LiveLeak, and while I never used AlbinoBlackSheep it appears to just be a shittier version of Newgrounds.
The only website that actually went away that I'd consider a huge loss is Rotten.com, and even then it was such a simple idea and layout that it would be very easy to make something just like it in this day and age with the bare minimum of HTML knowledge.

The only thing that's changed about the internet is that it's gotten more user-friendly, which has made everyone complacent, so whenever a website makes some huge drastic change they act like it's the end of the world as they know it. Maybe everyone who beats the "Wild west era" drum should be happy it's gone, because I don't think you guys would be able to handle it anymore anyway!

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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 17:44:46


At 12/15/20 05:25 PM, ZJ wrote:
At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:
The only thing that's changed about the internet is that it's gotten more user-friendly, which has made everyone complacent, so whenever a website makes some huge drastic change they act like it's the end of the world as they know it. Maybe everyone who beats the "Wild west era" drum should be happy it's gone, because I don't think you guys would be able to handle it anymore anyway!


Miss me with that "it's just more user-friendly" shit. It's insane to think that the only changes that have happened over the last 20 years is that pop-up ads and auto-playing music on web pages went away.

Of course there's still pockets where there's a bit of that old school free-for-all spirit is still alive and well. I said that it was dying, not that it was gone completely. We are posting on Newgrounds dot com after all with it being independently owned by one of the most philanthropically inclined men on the planet. But you can't deny that things have changed. Even this website won't let you you upload a flash animation with a mainstream song on it like you could in 2002. Tom has even gone and deleted a few submissions based on content. We can debate if those changes are GOOD or not, but they've definitely come. It's not being a "tech boomer" to note that there are a lot more rules now than there were. It's a fact.


Laws were never not a thing, Newgrounds was just as susceptible to getting sued in the naughties as it is today, the only difference is that that fact is now more clearly spelled out to us. There are no more rules than there ever were, just more people acknowledging them... Except not even that, considering the fact that the consequences for uploading copyrighted content back in the day were SO much worse than they are now, or are you forgetting the time all the record companies got together and tried to sue Napster for literally more money than there was on the planet at the time?


Pretending that things are the same now as they were before the rise of corporations like Facebook, Google-backed YouTube, Twitter, etc. is as wacky as saying the American frontier is still around because it's possible to go to Alaska and live in a remote cabin in the wilderness with minimal government interference.


It is still around for that exact reason! The main difference is that the ratio to how much of the internet is still frontier territory is bigger than that of the Alaskan frontier, the frontier of the internet isn't the thing that's midgeted by Facebook and Reddit, it's the exact opposite, you're just not seeing it!


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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 19:00:07 (edited 2020-12-15 19:03:24)


At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:26 PM, Earfetish wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:12 PM, ZJ wrote:


A lot of the subculture is gone, too. Like everyone here knows what the Clock Crew is, but I could've asked everyone I've ever met and only a handful would know the answer. And yes, it still exists in pockets, but Newgrounds was a huge and influential part of internet culture back then (still is now obv but to a different scale).


It might've just been the way that I used it and the way I use it now, but I don't think so - back then, it seemed like almost all of the internet was 'culture', and everyone who used it was somewhat au fait with the rules of it, or was expected to become so quickly.


Now - at least to me - almost all of the internet is business pages, the only culture any internet-dweller gets is from one of a few websites that take up the overwhelming majority of all traffic, everyone is a n00b talking to other n00bs, and you're expected to cater to them -they will remain n00bs for life.


I do kinda sound jaded. It's not like I care that much. The Internet has just become really embedded into society and it's a natural extension of that. But Internet culture seemed a lot cooler. I'd like to think if I was a kid nowadays I'd think internet culture was really uncool.


Oh I just used Pornhub for the first time since that ban (I know right, why am I not wanking daily) and yeah a lot of shit's gone. Niche interests could become played out quickly. Hell I used to search 'most recent'. It'd be nice to see a Google Cache of how many searches for my favourite topics there was pre-purge and how many there are now, but it updates too quickly and I cba going to web.archive, I wanted to have a wank

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 19:13:22


At 12/15/20 07:00 PM, Earfetish wrote:
At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:26 PM, Earfetish wrote:
At 12/15/20 04:12 PM, ZJ wrote:

A lot of the subculture is gone, too. Like everyone here knows what the Clock Crew is, but I could've asked everyone I've ever met and only a handful would know the answer. And yes, it still exists in pockets, but Newgrounds was a huge and influential part of internet culture back then (still is now obv but to a different scale).

It might've just been the way that I used it and the way I use it now, but I don't think so - back then, it seemed like almost all of the internet was 'culture', and everyone who used it was somewhat au fait with the rules of it, or was expected to become so quickly.

Now - at least to me - almost all of the internet is business pages, the only culture any internet-dweller gets is from one of a few websites that take up the overwhelming majority of all traffic, everyone is a n00b talking to other n00bs, and you're expected to cater to them -they will remain n00bs for life.

I do kinda sound jaded. It's not like I care that much. The Internet has just become really embedded into society and it's a natural extension of that. But Internet culture seemed a lot cooler. I'd like to think if I was a kid nowadays I'd think internet culture was really uncool.

Oh I just used Pornhub for the first time since that ban (I know right, why am I not wanking daily) and yeah a lot of shit's gone. Niche interests could become played out quickly. Hell I used to search 'most recent'. It'd be nice to see a Google Cache of how many searches for my favourite topics there was pre-purge and how many there are now, but it updates too quickly and I cba going to web.archive, I wanted to have a wank


You make some good points, although I do feel like there's still a sort of culture among internet users though, granted most of it's shown through misusage and haphazard spam of some of the worst memes I've ever seen in my life, but it's still got its own brand of "You've gotta be part of it to get it" kinda thing going on.


That said, we've got a whole new generation of internet users coming into form going into the future, and I'd like to think they'll consider the current landscape of internet culture to be really uncool to the point where they'll go ahead and develop their own, and then the cycle will start all over again...

Or maybe they'll just say "fuck this shit" and go outside. Who knows?


RedSnake's the name, out of character and gae is the game.

Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 19:17:01


At 12/15/20 05:25 PM, ZJ wrote:
At 12/15/20 05:00 PM, BillyRedSnake wrote:
The only thing that's changed about the internet is that it's gotten more user-friendly, which has made everyone complacent, so whenever a website makes some huge drastic change they act like it's the end of the world as they know it. Maybe everyone who beats the "Wild west era" drum should be happy it's gone, because I don't think you guys would be able to handle it anymore anyway!


Miss me with that "it's just more user-friendly" shit. It's insane to think that the only changes that have happened over the last 20 years is that pop-up ads and auto-playing music on web pages went away.


You know, it might be possible that both of you can be on the right track at least. I’m not one to wax nostalgic about the “Wild West” of the web, where even getting access to it was much more of a hassle than it was worth, along with the fact that most of those websites had a lot of spam, phishing and all sorts of annoyances that came with it, even on legit sites at the time. I think the main reason for this mentality is because for the longest time, nobody really took the Internet very seriously, and most people took it as some sort of fad, until it got too big to ignore. The fact that we used to put Silicon Valley as a whole on a pedestal, (until recent years at least) certainly helped that narrative.


At the same time, companies like Google and Social media sites in general does suck up a lot of the discussion about the Internet as a whole, and it does get annoying when they do stupid shit from a legal standpoint and embarrass everyone in the process, if not worse. While it’s a bummer that all of the proverbial oxygen of the Internet gets sucked up by a dozen or so big websites, it’s not like there aren’t thousands of other alternatives out there, (Newgrounds as an example) so it’s confuses me that we get all in a pinch over the Internet, that we have full control of what websites we want to do business in regardless of what it is. (As long as it’s legal, of course)


I know that this conversation has derailed from the topic at hand, but this argument doesn’t have to be a one-way street between free-for-all web culture of yore, and the modern conveniences of today’s Internet, for better or worse.



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Response to The Pornhub Purge 2020-12-15 19:19:29


So I can tell ya that on October 30th, according to the web archive, you could enjoy almost 3,600 videos when you made the kind of search I might make on Pornhub, and today that figure is under 1000.


Hey maybe my mind's not made up about this whole thing. What did OP say again? I think they might have a point. :P