At 8/13/07 07:55 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
So either you intentionally decided to play dumb and ignore this because you wanted to appeal to irony, or you just basically don't know wtf you're talking about.
Hey... they call themselves Mormons. Albiet a type of different Mormons.
I said fine... they're not the official Mormons of your Church. But this does not mean that they're not Mormons because they do call themselves Mormons of a different branch. Just because you don't personally believe that they're not "true Mormons" doesn't change that fact... Once more... Mormons. Just only of a different branch.
You always love to link to sites that aren't credible don't you? That site is 100% full of crap...
It's only a matter of shifting through the official stuff... since I know there's a news article floating around... it's a matter of buying it. This link just mentions what was once a hot topic for Fox. And OF ALL PEOPLE to be talking about linking crap... you are the meister of that. But I have enough sense to call on it first and to explain why I'm using it. Which wasn't evidence... just to show that what I have said has its roots in the actual event.
Where as you... who would link stuff up to Atzlan and shit, and believe it's all true just because it's true according to the Dogmm of Cellar... funny, how you never even called out on that article... Because it's convenient for you not to.
*eye rollie*
The LDS church doesn't have that kind of shit, in any comparable way whatsoever.
Ha...
Back in high school I remember the case of Greg Foster who brought it to court. It took quite a lot of investigational work to remember and to carefully shift the Salt Lake Tribune... but I did find that specific case (it's the 26th hit), and guess what... PURCHASED IT... And don't worry... there were others I've heard before. And mutterings of hushed cases. It's a matter of digging stuff up.
Salt Lake Tribune, The (UT)
Date: March 26, 1998
Edition: Final
Page: B2
Sex Abuse Lawsuit Blames LDS Church, Bishop
STEPHEN HUNT THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Salt Lake Tribune
A lawsuit filed last week in Oregon claims that an 11-year-old boy was sexually molested by a Mormon Sunday School teacher because the LDS Church has a policy of refusing to tell authorities of child sex abuse by church members. ``Preposterous,'' said church spokesman Don LeFevre on Wednesday.
``On the contrary, the church has a clear and longstanding policy regarding assistance to child abuse victims . . . including that church leaders should obey the law regarding abuse and cooperate with law enforcement.''
The lawsuit claims church leaders and an Oregon bishop, in particular, knew 87-year-old Sunday School teacher Franklin Richard Curtis had sexually abused children, but never told police or church members.
And Bishop Gregory Lee Foster remained silent about Curtis' misdeeds when the 11-year-old boy's mother informed the bishop of her plans to take in and care for the elderly man, the suit claims.
In about 1990, Curtis was living in a Portland retirement home when he told the boy's family he would like to live out his remaining years in a family environment, according to the lawsuit.
After consulting with the bishop, the family invited Curtis to live with them. Curtis moved in and stayed for about a year.
For about six months of his stay, on almost a daily basis, Curtis sexually abused the victim, the suit claims. In 1993, the boy's family moved to Washington state and the victim disclosed he had been molested.
The boy's mother called police, and Curtis was arrested, charged and eventually pleaded no contest to a sexual abuse charge. Because of his age, he received probation. He died in a nursing home in 1995.
Meanwhile, the victim's mother had contacted Foster to warn him about Curtis. But Foster revealed he had been aware -- from Curtis himself, and from other church leaders -- that Curtis had sexually molested other children, the lawsuit alleges.
Indeed, years before the Oregon incident, Curtis was excommunicated from the Mormon Church in Pennsylvania for sexually abusing children -- information which was communicated to Oregon church leaders, the suit alleges. He was later re-baptized and had similar troubles in another Portland church ward, where he allegedly molested five children who were members.
The lawsuit seeks unspecified monetary damages from the Mormon Church and Foster.
LeFevre said the church ``categorically denies any liability'' to the Oregon plaintiffs.
``The church deplores child abuse in all its forms,'' he added. ``It was not involved in any way in the abuse, which occurred in the plaintiff's own home by a man the family invited to live with them.''
(c) 1998 The Salt Lake Tribune. All rights reserved. Reproduced with the permission of Media NewsGroup, Inc. by NewsBank, Inc.
And of course here's an old archived email from that time from a legal research website
... and the whole "Mormon Malls" thing is quite a load of propaganda.
What are you talking about? They do exist because there are Mormon blogs right now writting about a recent decision to permit alchol to be sold at certain malls owned by the LDS. The fact that Mormons are upset about beer being sold suggestd that Mormons have malls to be upset over about.
And every single time someone tries to prove to the contrary, they do what you just did, they source THE most outlandish, non-credible nonsense.
Just wait... I'm sifting the archives of Fox, and Salt Lake Tribune. Then
Um, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that your lifestyle is specifically forbidden by your former church. could it?
They treat me well. Every church I've been into have treated me well and allowed me to help them in the cause to help the poor. That even includes a Mormon church right next to San Jose State! (I helped them for a food drive 2 years ago. And they had enough sense to leave me alone when my husband gave me a quick peck at the cheek.)
and instead jut toosk part of helping any church's will to help people with need. And for me, I see Mother Teresa as a good person. Because she helped people, and that's the best quality anyone can have.
I help people, I've done over 1000 hours of community service, I hold the door for elderly people and I always give my entire tax deduction to charity (outside of chruch tithing). Should I be turned into a saint? Better yet, look at Bill Gates, he's given BILLIONS of dollars to charity. Should people make him into a statue, and a focal point of prayer and religious devotion when he dies?
They believe she came from the dead and did miracles... which is the requirement for sainthood.
...because I have pride in it, I trust it because it is trustworthy, and I know it to be.
And a degree of blindness to it. You're no better off than those people who want Mother Teresa to be a saint. For all I know, they have really want it enough to disillusion themselves to think she performed miracles from the dead... and it doesn't really matter for me. But what makes me cross is the bickering of a religious person to another one. And for you, you will never find any fault in the official branch LDS. And to see a prideful man like you attempt to bash another's by saying something discreediting is so odd... because Mormons don't like to believe Joseph Smith was arrested. Yet, physical arrest records exist from that event. And I know in some way that will upset you because you have your perception already made (or blindess...)
You believe in miracles (well, it's required in your faith.) Why can't you let others believe in miracles... other than the one you believe in?
And if you're so understanding that not all money the LDS donates goes to charity... but to building churches in 3rd world countries... why can't you believe that Mother Teresa's people were doing the same thing?
Because it's blindess and hypocrisy.
