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SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis

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Things are going to heat up between these two gentlemen in the coming months. Trump already put out a statement saying he has dirt on DeSantis and just today he attacked him once again in a statement.


It seems likely Trump will hammer DeSantis on his COVID response and this whole thing could get ugly.


Who would you guys rather see win between these two? If DeSantis does win, will Trump run as an independent and act as a spoiler for the republicans?


Also, will republicans adopt "dump trump" for branding?


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-10 20:26:04


I'm going to predict that these two "Gentleman" will be going after each other's jugular in one of the most down right dirty GOP primary fights ever - even dwarfing the 2016 one. Trump's already throwing a few below the belt punches at DeSantis, even before either has officially announced their candidacy for 2024. If Trump loses, he's not going down quite. He hates to be seen as a loser, above all else. He will split the party apart if he doesn't get his way.


Choosing between the two would be like choosing malignant chaos over malignant order. Both are dangerous to our country with their forms of right-wing authoritarianism. Trump is petty and chaotic in his approach, DeSantis is pugilistic and more methodical in his. Neither are good for our country or our democracy.



Desantis knows how to massage the political processes whereas donny boy was an outsider. I think it makes him more dangerous as a candidate and I really don’t think Joe Biden’s chances are good against Desantis. Especially considering Joe’s mental acuity has been questionable multiple times.


im hoping for a timeline where Desantis wins the primary verse Trump, Trump calls the primary rigged, and runs as an independent splitting the republican vote.


not only would it be hilarious to watch the cannibalism, but it would be hilarious to see how election deniers grapple with having to point the finger at themselves.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-10 21:10:21


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This is a debate I am seeing constantly in right wing circles.


To summarize a long and ongoing conversation, DeSantis has (in theory) broader appeal and is more adept in using the law to serve his ends. Bringing Disney to heel and cementing Florida as a deep red state is not nothing.


But just about everyone who was brought into the conservative fold by Trump distrusts him. Myself included tbh. You have to remember what the Republican line-up looked like in 2016. The presumed nominee pre-Trump was Jeb freakin' Bush. The guy who said we need to be "more loving towards Mexico". Well, Trump's infamous comments on Mexico (mostly accurate except for the rapists part tbh) showed how the average Republican voter felt about that. They want to be proud of their own country rather than pandering endlessly to outsiders. The second runner up was Marco Rubio, the most insistent war hawk I have ever seen in my life. He was begging for like 6 months straight, every day, for armed conflict in Venezuela not even that long ago.


Well, Trump kept us out of all new wars. And *of course* Russian conflict starts *immediately* after he is gone. The Republican voter base made it clear they reject the military worship foisted on them by GOP Inc.


The principles Trump ran on were a complete and utter rejection of Washington DC consensus and are endorsed by a supermajority of the population that never gets what it wants because the game is always rigged on both sides. Nobody can truly say that any single politician in the huge line-up of 2016 were even attempting to represent the views of the average conservative or swing voter and that election proved it.


Now, with all that being said, the major fear among Trump loyalists is that Ron DeSantis is just another Jeb Bush. Someone who has adopted the language of veneer of Trump politics to better hide his DC consensus values and who ultimately won't pursue the same strategies of protectionism, heavy immigration restriction, non-intervention in global affairs, bringing corporations to heel, etc. People forget that Trump would pick public fights with corporations who outsourced labor. "I will never eat another Oreo again" etc. This rhetoric matters!


You can bash "woke" all day long for Twitter points like DeSantis does but that means very little about very little. In fact it feels very inauthentic, doesn't speak to the actual decline this country is facing, and very clearly looks like meaningless pandering to Trump voters.


The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-10 22:01:53


desantis wont run if trump runs so idk lol


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Republicans know how to bend over and fall in line. Trump is the undisputed leader of the Republican Party. DeSantis doesn't have the widespread support outside of Florida that Trump does, not to mention DeSantis doesn't really have the cult following.


I'd be very surprised if DeSantis tries to run in 2024. If he does, Trump is going to very quickly shoot him down, maybe have some Qanon people try to bomb his house or something, and DeSantis will back down.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 02:18:48


At 11/10/22 07:42 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote: This is one of those scenarios where, if both of these guys were trapped in a burning building and I only had time to save one, I may just crack open a beer and watch it burn down.

If I HAD to choose though, slight edge to DeSantis I guess...


I guess this a big difference between the left and right. If AOC, Biden, Pelosi etc were in a burning building and I could save then I would. They are terrible people but don't deserve to die for it. The left want their opppnents to die as they dont care about any human life only being in power.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 02:21:34


At 11/10/22 07:12 PM, Zachary wrote: Things are going to heat up between these two gentlemen in the coming months. Trump already put out a statement saying he has dirt on DeSantis and just today he attacked him once again in a statement.

It seems likely Trump will hammer DeSantis on his COVID response and this whole thing could get ugly.

Who would you guys rather see win between these two? If DeSantis does win, will Trump run as an independent and act as a spoiler for the republicans?

Also, will republicans adopt "dump trump" for branding?


I guess we will have to wait for the primaries and see who people pick because democracy. The left will call both of them Fascists anyway.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 06:37:00


At 11/11/22 05:38 AM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
At 11/11/22 02:18 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/10/22 07:42 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote: This is one of those scenarios where, if both of these guys were trapped in a burning building and I only had time to save one, I may just crack open a beer and watch it burn down.

If I HAD to choose though, slight edge to DeSantis I guess...
I guess this a big difference between the left and right. If AOC, Biden, Pelosi etc were in a burning building and I could save then I would. They are terrible people but don't deserve to die for it. The left want their opppnents to die as they dont care about any human life only being in power.
Just to be clear, my post was meant to be a joke. Hence why I said, “may”.


My point is still valid even if you were joking. Many of the left really think that way.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 08:17:57


At 11/11/22 07:45 AM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
At 11/11/22 06:37 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/11/22 05:38 AM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
At 11/11/22 02:18 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/10/22 07:42 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote: This is one of those scenarios where, if both of these guys were trapped in a burning building and I only had time to save one, I may just crack open a beer and watch it burn down.

If I HAD to choose though, slight edge to DeSantis I guess...
I guess this a big difference between the left and right. If AOC, Biden, Pelosi etc were in a burning building and I could save then I would. They are terrible people but don't deserve to die for it. The left want their opppnents to die as they dont care about any human life only being in power.
Just to be clear, my post was meant to be a joke. Hence why I said, “may”.
My point is still valid even if you were joking. Many of the left really think that way.
Sure, there are insane people all around us but it’s not limited to the left.


Of course there are insane people on the right too but they arent part of mainstream political discourse. There are no actual Fascists in the Conservative party or on Fox news but there are real Socialists and Black Supremacists in the Democrat Party and in the Liberal media. That is the difference between the two sides. One embraces its extremists and makes their bigotry mainstream.


Im pretty moderate and I know people on all parts of the political spectrum except the far right as there are so few actual white supremacists and Nazi's ive never met one in all my travels, not that I would want to either. However I realised how many very far left people I know by the posting of very racist things against white people after George Floyd died. Stuff that just you go "wow, I thought you were cool but thats how you really feel about me because I lack melanin, no xmas cards or bday greetings for you". Its just weird when you drink and socialize with people then it turns out they are massive racists.


I guess my point is the left will put their worst in office, even Marxist racial supremacists like Cori Bush. The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's usually just uniparty stooges like Mitch McConnell. This is because despite Joseph McCarthy's best efforts we did a very poor job of demonizing Marxists like we did the Nazi's/Fascists and by the 60's they had already infected academia across Europe and North America leading to where we are now. The center right and moderates vs the Marxists and Globalists in a showdown that will decide if we have freedom or not going forward.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 09:16:24


Trump attacking somebody got old after 2016.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 12:49:56


At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: I guess my point is the left will put their worst in office, even Marxist racial supremacists like Cori Bush. The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's usually just uniparty stooges like Mitch McConnell.


No one in the Republican Party is going to outwardly say they want to bring Nazism to America (unless you're Kanye). Likewise no Democrat is going to outwardly say "I want to create a People's Republic of America under Marxism/Leninism." But the Republican Party today is controlled by those who blow the dogwhistles and promote conspiracy theories. Democrats are not immune to this type of radicalism either but not nearly to the same extent.


Donald Trump and his far-right coterie control the GOP. Full stop. Any Republican running today has to kiss his ring and seek his blessing and run as a conservative. While exceptions may exist at the state level in some New England states, the modern face of the entire GOP is far-right Nazi dogwhistle radicalism.


The Democratic Party is far less centralized and who is its main guy in office? Joe Biden. Can anyone accuse him of being a secret communist or radical leftist? Yes, Bernie and AOC do hold significant power but Democrats don't need to kiss their rings to seek office, nor do they need to kiss Biden's. Democrats are very good at eating our own; that's why we lose and Republicans win.


The "both sides are equally bad" trope has to stop. Democrats and Republicans are both infected with radicalism, but thus far in the Democratic Party it's like a bad cold, whereas it's an inoperable tumor covering the entire body of the Republican Party.


Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 12:57:37


At 11/11/22 12:49 PM, Ranger2 wrote:
At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: I guess my point is the left will put their worst in office, even Marxist racial supremacists like Cori Bush. The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's usually just uniparty stooges like Mitch McConnell.
No one in the Republican Party is going to outwardly say they want to bring Nazism to America (unless you're Kanye). Likewise no Democrat is going to outwardly say "I want to create a People's Republic of America under Marxism/Leninism." But the Republican Party today is controlled by those who blow the dogwhistles and promote conspiracy theories. Democrats are not immune to this type of radicalism either but not nearly to the same extent.

Donald Trump and his far-right coterie control the GOP. Full stop. Any Republican running today has to kiss his ring and seek his blessing and run as a conservative. While exceptions may exist at the state level in some New England states, the modern face of the entire GOP is far-right Nazi dogwhistle radicalism.

The Democratic Party is far less centralized and who is its main guy in office? Joe Biden. Can anyone accuse him of being a secret communist or radical leftist? Yes, Bernie and AOC do hold significant power but Democrats don't need to kiss their rings to seek office, nor do they need to kiss Biden's. Democrats are very good at eating our own; that's why we lose and Republicans win.

The "both sides are equally bad" trope has to stop. Democrats and Republicans are both infected with radicalism, but thus far in the Democratic Party it's like a bad cold, whereas it's an inoperable tumor covering the entire body of the Republican Party.


This all read like one big conspiracy theory. Are you off your meds?


Donald Trump is not far-right, his politics are 90's New York Democrat because he was a Democrat back then who used to hang out with the Clintons.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 13:04:33


All I know for certain is that between Trump and DeSantis, I would absolutely despise both for being a presidential candidate. Trump for his history and failures, and DeSantis because I live in Florida, and wow, he could not give two craps about actually helping out Floridians.


Like for example, setting the standard of fining school districts that tried to have mask mandates.


Also, his precious election police force, which has utterly failed in actually catching any fraud, but sure has done a good job intimidating legitimate voters.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/floridas-election-police-come-empty

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/04/desantis-election-police-voter-arrests/


So my hope for the 2024 election is that Democrats pick someone at least a bit younger and more relatable.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 13:05:11


At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.


I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.


Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?


It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 18:18:30


At 11/11/22 12:49 PM, Ranger2 wrote: The "both sides are equally bad" trope has to stop. Democrats and Republicans are both infected with radicalism, but thus far in the Democratic Party it's like a bad cold, whereas it's an inoperable tumor covering the entire body of the Republican Party.


You have a weird definition of radicals if you think Bernie is one.


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At 11/11/22 01:05 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.
I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.

Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?

It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.


I think Trump should keep his mouth shut until after the elections entirely. Then let him run in 2024. After that DeSantis has a clear path forward as the presumed figurehead for the foreseeable future. Trump polls too well among Republicans to ignore and does too good in once-uncontested states to ignore.


He increases turnout on both sides, but that's a good thing! The more people participate in the election the more legitimate it actually is. If nobody is caring then something is seriously wrong and politics aren't catering to peoples needs or desires.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 20:48:40


At 11/11/22 02:18 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/10/22 07:42 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote: This is one of those scenarios where, if both of these guys were trapped in a burning building and I only had time to save one, I may just crack open a beer and watch it burn down.

If I HAD to choose though, slight edge to DeSantis I guess...
I guess this a big difference between the left and right. If AOC, Biden, Pelosi etc were in a burning building and I could save then I would. They are terrible people but don't deserve to die for it. The left want their opponents to die as they dont care about any human life only being in power.


I'd only grab AoC, and not because of those reasons. ;þ

It would be a "least harm committed" principle.

Human life which harms other human life is kind of a bad thing to leave hanging around. And unjust incarceration ranks pretty high up there!

And from a utilitarian perspective they are also old as dirt and may as well start napping. Ask not what Jesus would do, but John Mill!


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 21:01:20


At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's

"Stand back and stand by" and "Jewish space lasers" much?


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 21:02:12


At 11/11/22 07:39 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 01:05 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.
I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.

Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?

It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.
I think Trump should keep his mouth shut until after the elections entirely. Then let him run in 2024. After that DeSantis has a clear path forward as the presumed figurehead for the foreseeable future. Trump polls too well among Republicans to ignore and does too good in once-uncontested states to ignore.

He increases turnout on both sides, but that's a good thing! The more people participate in the election the more legitimate it actually is. If nobody is caring then something is seriously wrong and politics aren't catering to peoples needs or desires.


It's also a good antidote to fraud, as it gets harder to fudge votes the closer you are to 100%

As Detroit exposed in 2016 when it suddenly had 130% votes counted

Apparently after they decapitated Kwame, they forgot to "turn off" his regime's engine

If you have a consistent ~100k not voting, it becomes very easy to "accidentally" nudge a few to one side


Western media has descended to the level of Soviet media, pre-Glasnost, except the American people largely still drink from that poisoned well, thinking it provides "news."

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 21:08:22


At 11/11/22 09:02 PM, OpusFreiling wrote:
At 11/11/22 07:39 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 01:05 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.
I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.

Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?

It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.
I think Trump should keep his mouth shut until after the elections entirely. Then let him run in 2024. After that DeSantis has a clear path forward as the presumed figurehead for the foreseeable future. Trump polls too well among Republicans to ignore and does too good in once-uncontested states to ignore.

He increases turnout on both sides, but that's a good thing! The more people participate in the election the more legitimate it actually is. If nobody is caring then something is seriously wrong and politics aren't catering to peoples needs or desires.
It's also a good antidote to fraud, as it gets harder to fudge votes the closer you are to 100%
As Detroit exposed in 2016 when it suddenly had 130% votes counted
Apparently after they decapitated Kwame, they forgot to "turn off" his regime's engine
If you have a consistent ~100k not voting, it becomes very easy to "accidentally" nudge a few to one side


Speaking of fraud, what's going on in Arizona right now is unironically cause for a federal investigation. Assuming we had a non-captured agency to do so.


Seriously, a country the size of Brazil can count all its votes in one night. No excuse for this sort of thing.


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At 11/11/22 09:08 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:02 PM, OpusFreiling wrote:
At 11/11/22 07:39 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 01:05 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.
I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.

Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?

It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.
I think Trump should keep his mouth shut until after the elections entirely. Then let him run in 2024. After that DeSantis has a clear path forward as the presumed figurehead for the foreseeable future. Trump polls too well among Republicans to ignore and does too good in once-uncontested states to ignore.

He increases turnout on both sides, but that's a good thing! The more people participate in the election the more legitimate it actually is. If nobody is caring then something is seriously wrong and politics aren't catering to peoples needs or desires.
It's also a good antidote to fraud, as it gets harder to fudge votes the closer you are to 100%
As Detroit exposed in 2016 when it suddenly had 130% votes counted
Apparently after they decapitated Kwame, they forgot to "turn off" his regime's engine
If you have a consistent ~100k not voting, it becomes very easy to "accidentally" nudge a few to one side
Speaking of fraud, what's going on in Arizona right now is unironically cause for a federal investigation. Assuming we had a non-captured agency to do so.


I'm on the phone right now with a crotchety septuagenarian sheriff and we're getting a team together to look into this. People I don't like are being elected, and that is seriously fucked up!


UPDATE: it happened again. Another person was just elected. If we factor in the time it took for the votes to be counted with the mountain of evidence of me being very unhappy with this, the only conclusion is FRAUD.


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-11 22:10:20


DeSantis is a whipped fatboy who was born in a testube. Hes 100% GOP establishment and handled by his wife who has lofty political ambitions.


In other words, he stands zero chance against Orange Man.


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At 11/11/22 09:31 PM, FinaLee wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:08 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:02 PM, OpusFreiling wrote:
At 11/11/22 07:39 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 11/11/22 01:05 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 11/10/22 10:01 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote: The long and the short of it is if you were a prominent Republican pre-Trump, you are probably a DeSantis guy. If you became a Republican because of Trump, you are likely a Trump guy still. Although Trump still crushes DeSantis in republican polling.
I can see how DeSantis being a little more polished than Trump would be more appealing to pre-Trump republicans.

Do you think it is going to hurt the republicans in the Georgia runoff election if Trump announces his intentions to run for president in 2024?

It seems like the republicans are telling Trump to chill out a bit until after the race in December and obviously are aware that Trump being on a ticket causes democrats to come out and vote.
I think Trump should keep his mouth shut until after the elections entirely. Then let him run in 2024. After that DeSantis has a clear path forward as the presumed figurehead for the foreseeable future. Trump polls too well among Republicans to ignore and does too good in once-uncontested states to ignore.

He increases turnout on both sides, but that's a good thing! The more people participate in the election the more legitimate it actually is. If nobody is caring then something is seriously wrong and politics aren't catering to peoples needs or desires.
It's also a good antidote to fraud, as it gets harder to fudge votes the closer you are to 100%
As Detroit exposed in 2016 when it suddenly had 130% votes counted
Apparently after they decapitated Kwame, they forgot to "turn off" his regime's engine
If you have a consistent ~100k not voting, it becomes very easy to "accidentally" nudge a few to one side
Speaking of fraud, what's going on in Arizona right now is unironically cause for a federal investigation. Assuming we had a non-captured agency to do so.
I'm on the phone right now with a crotchety septuagenarian sheriff and we're getting a team together to look into this. People I don't like are being elected, and that is seriously fucked up!


So was their last audit by a company that was pro-Trump, with no auditing experience, and which tested for every conspiracy under the internet. Even checked to see if the ballots were made out of bamboo. And they were paid over a million dollars by a Republican controlled legislature, only to find out what everyone already knew months before - no evidence of voter fraud or election tampering. Do people really want to rehire a company that sound like it's a competitive video game team because they don't like the results?


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At 11/11/22 08:48 PM, OpusFreiling wrote:
At 11/11/22 02:18 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/10/22 07:42 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote: This is one of those scenarios where, if both of these guys were trapped in a burning building and I only had time to save one, I may just crack open a beer and watch it burn down.

If I HAD to choose though, slight edge to DeSantis I guess...
I guess this a big difference between the left and right. If AOC, Biden, Pelosi etc were in a burning building and I could save then I would. They are terrible people but don't deserve to die for it. The left want their opponents to die as they dont care about any human life only being in power.
I'd only grab AoC, and not because of those reasons. ;þ
It would be a "least harm committed" principle.
Human life which harms other human life is kind of a bad thing to leave hanging around. And unjust incarceration ranks pretty high up there!
And from a utilitarian perspective they are also old as dirt and may as well start napping. Ask not what Jesus would do, but John Mill!


By your logic you should leave AOC too. She is the new Pelosi so has decades of harm to cause. We just need to hope the electorate can see sense and send her back to bar work.

Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-12 00:28:38


At 11/11/22 09:01 PM, Gimmick wrote:
At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's
"Stand back and stand by" and "Jewish space lasers" much?


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Response to SHOWDOWN! Trump vs DeSantis 2022-11-12 06:22:38


At 11/12/22 12:28 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:01 PM, Gimmick wrote:
At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's
"Stand back and stand by" and "Jewish space lasers" much?
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Actual things said by people you just termed "not actual Nazis". How much more Nazi can you get?


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At 11/12/22 06:22 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:
At 11/12/22 12:28 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:01 PM, Gimmick wrote:
At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's
"Stand back and stand by" and "Jewish space lasers" much?
????????????????
Actual things said by people you just termed "not actual Nazis". How much more Nazi can you get?


Are either of those things Nazi? One is just some normal words and the other sounds like a really cool anime.

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At 11/12/22 07:16 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/12/22 06:22 AM, DamnedByFate wrote:
At 11/12/22 12:28 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote:
At 11/11/22 09:01 PM, Gimmick wrote:
At 11/11/22 08:17 AM, SleeveMcdichael83 wrote: The right will put some pretty bad people in but not actual Nazi's
"Stand back and stand by" and "Jewish space lasers" much?
????????????????
Actual things said by people you just termed "not actual Nazis". How much more Nazi can you get?
Are either of those things Nazi? One is just some normal words and the other sounds like a really cool anime.


The first one was said to a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi group. The second is a no-brainer: Invoking Jews where they have nothing to do with the matter at hand is absolutely Nazi.


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